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Next door neighbour's kid - WWYD?

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Beavie · 05/09/2014 19:52

Aaaargh! I'm in a tricky situation here. I moved into a HA house a few months ago, and I've never lived on an estate before so I'm really not sure how to deal with this.

I have 2 dds age 4 and 10. NDN's daughter is 8, we'll call her H. A while after we moved in, in late spring, H started coming around to play with dd2. Dd1 finds H extremely annoying and if H is here then dd1 just shuts herself in her room (to be fair, she does this quite a lot even if H isn't here...she loves reading and is happiest holed up with a book).

Our back gardens are tiny and for some reason both of my neighbours have gates going into my garden from theirs. So H has direct access into my garden, and my back door is usually open so she just turns up in our house.

For the first month or two, it wasn't an issue that H was here as she did a good job of entertaining dd2, who is really full on, and she very polite and well behaved. H's parents very rarely take her anywhere or do anything with her, and she tells me that before we lived here she would just always be in her room by herself. By contrast, I get out and about with the kids as much as possible, we do stuff like geocaching, swimming, lots of walks and dd2 is lucky enough to have a pony at my DM's place not far away so we spend a fair bit of time there. So I do feel sorry for H, and have taken her out with us quite a lot since we've known her.

The amount of time H spends here soon got out of hand though. Literally as soon as we got home, she would be here, or as soon as we woke up in the morning and I opened the back door for the dog, she'd appear. As she got to know us better, I began to see the more annoying parts of her personality. E.g. she lies, a LOT, stupid little things but it happens all the time. And instead of hanging out with dd2, she started trailing around after me all the time. Literally everywhere. I can't get a moment's peace from her. And she talks, and talks and talks, inane stuff, so a 5 minute sit down where I would plan to sit and check my emails etc, i now have H sitting right next to me wittering on. Even while I eat my dinner, she's there chattering away.

I am a LP, and my youngest dd doesn't see her dad so I have her all the time. I find it hard to get the emotional energy for my own dc, and now it really does feel like I have 3, not 2. I think H has also started to consider herself as part of the furniture here too, and gets jealous if I go somewhere without her, e.g. if we go to see the pony. I do sometimes put my foot down and just firmly tell her we are not taking her, but I find it difficult as she looks so disappointed, and then dd2 kicks off because she wants H to come too. And I can't really give her a good reason as to why She can't come, apart from the fact that she does my nut in and I just don't want her to!

I feel really sorry for H that her own parents do fuck all with her, and it's sad that a lot of her lies seem to be about stuff that she is going to do, e.g. She'll turn up in the morning and say that she is going swimming or bowling later, when I know that it's not true. It's like she has a fantasy existence. But at the same time, it drives me mad that I've become responsible for entertaining her. How do I handle this?

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 06/09/2014 16:34

Must be because my kids grew up on an estate then

It's an estate not a commune!

Nanny0gg · 06/09/2014 16:37

They will both sit and chat to me for a bit, then dd2, who has the attention span of a knat, will wander off into her room or something and then I am left with H, sitting next to me, yapping away. Which is my cue to ask her to leave the room as I want to get up and get dressed.

Your DD shouldn't be opening the door if you are still in bed. Do you not lock it?
H should not be allowed in your bedroom at all. Set some boundaries.
And however much she likes helping I think cleaning for you is very inappropriate.

NoWayYesWay · 06/09/2014 16:42

......... The problem being is that dd2 often comes to hang out with me in the mornings when I wake up, so I'd have to tell her to bugger off as well

This statement sounds crazy, (sorry) why do you think you you have to tell. Your DD2 to go away just because you tell your NDN DC to go away. It's daft to allow her to come into your house unannounced. I really don't understand why you can't manage this.

bellarations · 06/09/2014 17:02

This is getting ridiculous! I've caught up on the thread from last night.

Take emotions away op and concentrate on the facts as stated by you.

To an outsider this sounds wrong, so wrong, and I'm sorry to say it, but if this is/was a man posting everyone would be up in arms!

Gruntfuttock · 06/09/2014 17:07

I agree. To say that if you tell your NDN DD not to come into your bedroom you have to tell your own daughter not to come into your bedroom is ridiculous.
It should never have got this bad, but now it has, I think pictish's advice at 16:33:26 was very good. I think you should have spoken to this girl's parents long ago tbh.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 06/09/2014 17:13

You definitely need some boundaries! Currently you have a preschooler deciding when she'll open the front door and who comes into your house. This is actually what you need to work on.

Yes you absolutely tell your 4 yr old she can't come into your bed if the NDN's child is there. Your 4 yr old doesn't get snuggly private mummy moments when guests are here. That's it. Maybe it will help when you set down some boundaries about opening the door, for her to know things change when guests are in the house.

Nb I don't think you should be dropping the ndn child, but you do need to get control of the situation.

TheNewSchmoo · 06/09/2014 17:18

I'm appalled by the turn this has taken. So you leave your back door open which had access from either side through a gate. An aggressive boy next door, (what if he decides to pop in?), you let the girl in bed with you, while you're lolling about til 9.30, and your DD1 has to read in her bedroom because you would rather spend time with the next door neighbour (In her eyes), because you can't be arsed to say no.

I felt a bit sorry for you to start with, now I feel sorry for DD1 and think you should have a word with yourself and behave like an adult.

Gruntfuttock · 06/09/2014 17:20

If you were burgled, OP, wouldn't your insurance be null and void because you house isn't secure?

EverythingIsAwesome · 06/09/2014 17:24

How did your boundaries become so blurred?

Icelollycraving · 06/09/2014 17:27

Come on now,you must see this is setting you up for all kinds of crap?
You let a kid into your bed because you are still in bed at 930,one dd shuts herself away,the other dd is growing increasingly attached to H,H is becoming part of the family but is due to get dumped?
You leave your house unlocked when you have an ex who puts you & your girls at risk?
Good God,I started off feeling sorry for you & that you were a bit bamboozled but you must sort this out.

Rebecca2014 · 06/09/2014 17:27

I feel sorry for your DD1. Her home is where she should feel safe so why should she be stuck in her room all day? I know you say she doesn't mind but I bet you, she does.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 06/09/2014 17:46

I would suspect the blurred boundaries happen because of the dangerous (abusive?) situation the OP has escaped from.

And I'd suspect she's feeling quite fragile too...

FelineLou · 06/09/2014 19:20

Practise this beforehand:
"Well H it is time to go home now, I am busy."
Use this when she chunters on when you look at emails. When she follows you to the bathroom etc.
Come out and find her still there. Be firm
"H I told you to go home,. Now do as you are told"
Comes in your bedroom:
Same thing.
Don't reward her breaking into your boundaries, intrusive behaviour/consequences.
dd2 needs to be taught to respect your wishes in this.
Win back your personal space by a bit of effort. It'll be worth it.
She shows a sulky face - that is NOT your problem. She is manipulating your feelings. Don't give in. 6 weeks and it will all be much better and you can still be a kind neighbour but you are not her parent - ever.

Beavie · 06/09/2014 19:31

Just to make things clear, the back door is open but there is no way that anyone other than my immediate neighbours on either side could enter my garden, without climbing over a lot of high fences and getting past a lot of dogs. The neighbours on the other side I don't have to worry about...they are ok and they can't even get into their back garden because it is so overgrown. H's brother (the problematic one), comes to visit for about 1 day per month, if that, and I make it clear to dd2 that she is not to go round there on those days, and I keep the back door locked religiously if he is about, as he is prone to nicking stuff. He came to my house once, which is a story in itself, and I gave him such a bollocking that he is now shit scared of me so he really isn't an issue.

I think the problem is that it has been such a gradual thing, it's not like H just appeared one day and never left, so it's hard to know when the lines of reasonable and unreasonable behaviour started. Dd1 has preferred her own company for a number of years now, long before H was around, but I am very conscious that I need to integrate her more into family life, and yes H does get in the way of that so I need to address that. I have been living a nightmare for 5 years, and the court hearings have only just ended, so I have not always been emotionally as available as I could have been, and of course I feel bad about that.

Anyway, we had a lovely day out together today, dd1 whinged that she was bored as she always does if I make her leave her pit but secretly I think she had a lot of fun, and we stumbled across a fair on the way home so we stopped there before getting some tea.

OP posts:
Beavie · 06/09/2014 19:35

P.s. Pictish, I think I will definitely use your line with the parents, that's exactly what needs to be said to them.

OP posts:
SistersOfPercy · 06/09/2014 20:00

I'd lock the guests and get the HA to replace the gates with fencing.

Again DO NOT LOCK THE GATES
The mere fact that 2 gates exist in the fence indicate there is a possible right of way across the land. Check with the HA first. If there isn't a ROW then by all means lock them or replace them yourself.

The chances of getting the HA to replace them for fencing are minimal, you'll probably need to pay for that yourself.

Cheeky76890 · 06/09/2014 20:20

Just tell her when she can come ' sorry its tricky today but come Thursday at 4'

heather1 · 06/09/2014 20:21

Op it sounds like this is all quite stressful.
Scheduling her in, almost like and appointment, might be helpful.
E.g. Hello H it nice to see you but we are having family time at the moment. We would love to see you on Wednesday at 4pm. When she arrives explain she can stay for an hour. Near the end of the hour keep giving her warnings, h you have 15 minutes left, h you have 5 minutes, 1 minutes h. It's time to leave now as we have to cook dinner, do homework etc.
It's very tricky when a child is so in need of love and care but she isn't your daughter. One day she may leave your life but dd1 will be there forever and as you have identified needs you now.

MarkWrightsLonelyBraincell · 06/09/2014 23:02

My mum prioritised another child over me, they 'needed' her attention as didn't get it at home. It was assumed I was ok as I was a quiet bookworm who could mostly be found in my room.
Tbh it just drove me to my room even more, I really really resented it. It still cuts me a bit when I think about it now, not to be melodramatic but I have grown up knowing she doesn't really put me first, our relationship isn't great as a result.

I feel sorry for this girl, but please put your dd1 first, I have been her and you can assume all you like that it isn't affecting her, you'd be wrong.

BornFreeButinChains · 06/09/2014 23:06
  • pictish Sat 06-Sep-14 16:33:26

YY and I WOULD add in: "we are going to miss spending time with her, she is a wonderful girl - ISNT SHE, your so lucky...."

BigbyWolf · 06/09/2014 23:36

Just a suggestion; if you ' keep the back door locked religiously ' if the older brother is next door, why don't you just keep it locked all the time? Then you won't have the problem of H just wandering into your house at all...

dustarr73 · 07/09/2014 02:49

The older brother isnt the problem though H is.You have to get her sorted once and for all.

rollonthesummer · 07/09/2014 08:51

I bet you this is affecting your relationship with dd1 far more than you think. Please nip it in the bud now and don't let her spend anymore time hiding in her own house.

clam · 07/09/2014 09:54

"YY and I WOULD add in: "we are going to miss spending time with her, she is a wonderful girl - ISNT SHE, your so lucky...."

Why? Hmm

KatieKaye · 07/09/2014 10:08

Why does an 8 year old wants to spend so much time playing with a 4 year old she isn't related to?
You live on an estate, so surely there are other children nearer H's age for her to play with? Something seems very strange about this, especially as your older DD can't stand H (and they are much closer in age), and yet H seems to be in your house all the time. Sounds like it is you she want to be with and uses DD2 as an excuse.
This is having a negative effect on DD1 and you need to put her above H, even though you feel sorry for H.
Tell H she can't come into your house or your garden without being invited. And tell DD2 this too. She is small and needs to be protected and to have clear boundaries set. One of which is that you don't get your own way all of the time. And H needs to know and understand this too. reclaim your life and start acting like an adult. this child is running rings around you - you resent it and so does DD1. she is the one I feel sorry for, because H is starting to become the cuckoo in the nest and pushing DD1 out.