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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To want to see my nephew?

211 replies

StuntNun · 01/09/2014 16:00

My DB had a baby last November, my first 'blood' nephew although I already have a niece and a nephew on my DH's side. It was a complicated and traumatic delivery so when DB and DSIL didn't want visitors right away I understood. However, since then any tentative suggestions that I could visit have been politely but firmly rebuffed. I texted my DB last weekend to say that I could get cheap flights to come over for a weekend this month and I would stay overnight at the hotel near them. He replied that it wasn't convenient until December at the earliest! I have the strong suspicion that in December it will be 'too close to Christmas' and I will be fobbed off yet again. At this point I just think I may as well call the whole thing off and stop asking whether I can visit.

AIBU to want to visit my DB and DSIL and meet my nephew?

OP posts:
Elizadoesdolittle · 07/09/2014 08:59

Your dsisil doesn't like answering the door? That's not normal behaviour in itself.

Nextchapterabouttostart · 07/09/2014 09:10

OP have you called them recently? On the phone not Skype or a text but just a quick thinking-of-you call?

I can sometimes read texts wrong, especially from my brothers as they are much more abrupt than I would send - but when/if we chat it's much softer.

I would just call, if it goes to answer phone just leave a light message along the lines: I am here if you need me, sorry not to have been able to see you, would love to see you all before Christmas if that suits you all.

tohotnot · 07/09/2014 09:22

Op, have you actually seen this baby on Skype recently?

I think this is all very odd behaviour, I just can't understand why you can't send a present.

defineme · 07/09/2014 09:32

I would type this all out in a non accusatory email. All your worries, sadness, your mum's worries, all of it. Offer support and no judgement. It's absolutely not normal for a gift to 'set her off', they're clearly in trouble of some sort. It's not normal for grandma not to know what 2 ops were for- they're prepared to visit her but not discuss this stuff? There is either something up with 1 or all of them and they're hiding it. I think they need help from the sound of it.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 07/09/2014 09:39

This all sounds very strange from the secret wedding to the not accepting parcels at the house. Why would a present set SIL off? That's a very strange turn of phrase.

Could it actually be the opposite issue? You and your mum thought you were giving them space by waiting before visiting. DB and SIL have interpreted this as you couldn't be arsed? I think you need to communicate with you DB and try to understand what is going on. Say you are worried about them.

DeWee · 07/09/2014 10:51

She's even said what if something happens to DB and DSIL and she's left looking after her grandson without actually knowing what's wrong with him. Yes that's a bit melodramatic but it shows how much it's even eating away at her

Actually I'd say that comes across as very self-focussed, not just melodramatic.
So your dm expressed that she's worried that on the unlikely chance that both your db and sil die, then if (also sounding very unlikely) she's asked to look after her grandson, then she won't know how ill he is-which is silly, as I'm sure you can see, because if she was asked to take guardianship of him, she would obviously be given access to his medical records.

HaroldLloyd · 07/09/2014 10:52

Sounds like a worried sick grandmother to me.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 07/09/2014 10:56

I would think that there is more of a risk that OP will be asked to look after DN in the (unlikely) event that DB and SIL both die. My sister is the person I've asked to be guardian of my kids as she's my age. My parents are getting on a bit and DH is an only child so DSis (and BIL) are best candidates should the worst happen. Having said that I think OP's mum was over playing her hand. I want to visit my grandson a few times a year is a totally reasonable request (in the absence of abuse or something).

olgaga · 07/09/2014 11:39

Your requests for a visit have been "politely but firmly rebuffed" but that doesn't mean there's a dark secret!

I don't really uderstand why you just don't call and speak to your brother more regularly on a "how's things?" basis. You must have news you want to share with him too.

I'd call in a couple of weeks and say you were thinking about arrangements for Christmas as DH has to organise time off work etc & whether they had any plans?

Call your other brother/sil first on the same basis too, to see whether & when you might all be able to meet up.

Perhaps they don't want individual visits & might find it easier just to meet up with everyone in one go.

Either way, just pick up the phone and talk!

StuntNun · 07/09/2014 11:44

I do speak to my DB regularly and Skype less often. I hear all the regular baby chat about crawling, how he's getting on at nursery etc. It's only when I asked whether I could come and visit them for a weekend (fly in Saturday morning, leave Sunday afternoon, stay overnight in a hotel) that this all kicked off.

OP posts:
olgaga · 07/09/2014 11:55

So it sounds like your nephew is fine. He's developing ok, he's at nursery. No great mystery after all.

They just don't want a visit from you, or anyone else.

I think you just have to respect that!

So next time you can say if they're not keen on visits, do they have any plans to come over again as you feel sad you're the only one who hasn't met DN.

But I really don't think you or your DM should visit if he's politely declined.

I also think you should resist reading any more into this than a reluctance to entertain visitors.

Gruntfuttock · 07/09/2014 13:08

Ok, they don't want any visits, but you can't even send a present in the post because the SIL won't open the door! That's a bit extreme.

olgaga · 07/09/2014 14:15

I'd send a card and a small item in a jiffy bag anyway.

For all you know it's your brother who's being weird and your SIL is wondering why she never sees or hears from any of you!

slithytove · 07/09/2014 15:01

Maybe SIL hates postman/window cleaner/jw at her door because baby is a poor sleeper and always gets woken, maybe her home is her haven and she doesn't want it disturbing.

Again, even if she has emotional problems stopping her from getting the door, why does that mean she is abusing OP DBro?

momnipotent · 08/09/2014 13:10

I was reminded of this thread yesterday.

DH and I are having some problems at the moment which he idiot mentioned in an off-hand way to his mother last week. Yesterday she posted something on his FB timeline, a picture and the wording was something like "You're special and don't forget it". He deleted the post then emailed her and said he had deleted it because he didn't want momnipotent to be set off again!! I have no idea why he would think that would upset me? I am upset because he has behaved like a total fuckwit, he knows why I am upset, I don't care what his mother does. But now his mother will again be thinking that I am some kind of complete nightmare, and since I am quite private about our lives I can't explain to her that actually it is her son behaving like an areshole, not her DIL.

Try not to read too much into little comments made by your DB, you might end up jumping to completely the wrong conclusion.

landrover · 08/09/2014 13:29

I wonder if maybe he has something like Downs or something? and they are still getting used to that?

Echocave · 08/09/2014 13:53

OP was it you who said that your SIL doesn't have a good relationship with her own Mother?

Whilst there could well be sensitivities around the baby's health, it may be that SIL fears negative intrusion (as she might see it) into their life. Also, I'm sorry your Mum has received bad health news but her comments sound a bit over the top, if she has always been like this, your SIL may not want to involve her in discussions about the baby's health. Your DB may not particularly want your DM involved either.

However, there is a lot going on here and I'm not sure anyone here can do more than speculate or (and I agree with the PPs who have already said this), speak to your brother about your concerns. Ultimately though, if they have decided to (hopefully temporarily) exclude you, there's little you can do about it. And pushing for an invitation could do more harm than good.

CariadsDarling · 08/09/2014 14:44

It's a strange situation not having met your SIL. Perhaps she is a private person and has sadly started as she means to go on and that's without in laws. Who knows what brought her to this? Her own family dynamics perhaps?

Them there is the possibility all is not well with the baby but I doubt that if only because to not allow family access to a sick grandchild or nephew really is very disappointing.

waitingforthegroundtoopen · 08/09/2014 21:52

Reading this I've just realised how our families could have veiwed our situation as something sinister. We've only just started inviting family from further a feild to visit our 22 month old dd. Although she has met all the imideit family at a couple of family parties and meals, she's not met most of the aunties, uncles and cousins who'd consider themselves close to us and our parents. Up until now we've had so much going on in our lives it's not something we've been in a position to cope with, much of which we'd never have been in a position to comfortably disclose.

Dd is beautiful, happy and fun. But in her short life she's scared the hell out of us on more than one occation and we've spent more time worrying about her than enjoying her in the first year of life. She is healthy and appears so outwardly but has some minor health problems and had one potentionally major health problem. We really struggled to cope with how worried we were and the uncertaincy of what was happening. As first time parents it hit us hard because as well as getting the idea of being parents into our heads we had so much more than we ever expected to deal with.

For us it was really hard to tell people what was going on with dd because we didn't know ourselves. So while we would mention about medical appointments that made us unable to visit or have visitors we were always vague about what they were for. When we knew more about what was going on and told the ils what we knew they reacted terrably putting us off telling anyone else. Mil over reacted and dramatised and told us how terriable it was for her to have such a potentially ill grandchild. Gmil under reacted and brushed it all off, insisting there was nothing wrong with her and that the very able doctors we'd been dealing with were wrong. It was all they could ever talk about after that, the questiong, second guessing and dealing with their emotions was more than we could handle and we really had to keep them at a distance just to be able to get through the day. It was only two people's reactions and although everyone wouldn't react as they did it was enough the risk not doing it again. My mum only found out what was going on when a referal letter scared me stupid and I took it to her to ask if it really was that scarry.

Dh would actually used the phrase 'respecting dd's privacy' because it was a safe phrase to say. It was given to him by one of the nurses we saw when he mentioned how tough he found to deal with his faamily when they asked about appointments. So baby is fine, we're respecting her privacy, was the update everyone got after an appointment because it stopped the info train and any other difficult follow up questions. We also worried about her condition following her around for years once she had grown out of it because gfil's breif patch of shingles is still wildly discused six years after he passed!

Dh battled socail phobia for years. He would have prefured have got married in secret. Mostly recovered now he still doesn't like to answer the door unless his expecting somebody. Even at his worst he was still happy to talk to my family on the phone and skype my cousins. But the idea of them visiting would have sent him into a blind panic.

I was funny about recieving present's for dd. Again thanks to gmil, who called and screamed down the phone at us when dd was 3 weeks old because her sister was yet to recieve a thank you card from the gift we'd only recieved a few days earlier. After that getting a present would 'set me off again' until I knew the giver had recieved a thank you card. So at times when I was using every free momet to rush between appointments, a gift could act as the straw that broke the camle's back. People who asked what would be useful were sometimes asked to wait a few weeks before sending anything to us and then asked to send things through my parents so I could pick them up when I was ready to deal with them.

It does just hit me that your db and sil could be in the same situation. Maybe a bad experience has put them off being open with the rest of the family until they really have to, we know we'll have to be open with our siblings if and when they start families of their own. Keeping things normal might be how they cope. So don't take it personally, I doubt it's just about you or your mum.

To add one final thing, I was sent in the middle of everything was a bar of chocolate, a book and a short note from my god mother saying to be kind to myself and that she'd still be there whenever I was ready and to use the time I would have used to reply to her to put my feet up!

slithytove · 08/09/2014 22:14

Great insightful post waiting
Sorry you had such a difficult time of it Thanks

OP - hopefully you are feeling a little better that this difficult situation might not be about you and might resolve itself with time?

The last line of waitings post is a nice idea perhaps you could adopt.

winkywinkola · 08/09/2014 22:38

Waiting, great post.

Pity it's "disappointing" for relatives but also perhaps a good lesson to understand that other people's needs and preferences are more important.

olgaga · 09/09/2014 00:26

Lovely post waiting.

Some people seem to have no idea that everyone is different and every birth is unique.

Their expectations and subjectivity take precedence over logic.

steff13 · 09/09/2014 00:44

Our nephew was born with hypoplastic left heart syndrome. He had surgery the day after he was born, and he had another at about four months old.

Maybe the OP's nephew has something like that, and the prognosis isn't great? Our nephew is doing well, but he's still sick; he's got at least one more surgery down the line. You'd never know it be looking at him, though.

StuntNun · 09/09/2014 08:29

Thank you for sharing your story Waiting. I'm sorry you've had such a difficult time. It certainly does put things in perspective.

Next time I speak to my DB I'm going to ask him to make his requirements known. My mum and I have discussed the situation between ourselves but I don't know whether it has been made clear to my DB and DSIL that we are both supportive and understanding of their needs, we just need to know what those needs are and he needs to spell them out rather than being evasive.

OP posts:
slithytove · 09/09/2014 09:17

If his needs are for space and privacy, can you support that? I feel you are still slightly missing the point some posters have made.