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AIBU?

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To think the way we choose to live is our business!

212 replies

RecallReg · 18/05/2014 20:54

We live as self sufficiently as possible, in all respects. We have some very basic principles, we wish to have as little environmental impact as possible and value people, relationships and time with others above things and possessions. This is just what we think, we try not to impose this others and live quite quietly. We buy household things and clothes from charity shops, we recycle and re-use, we make what we can, we grow all our own veg and fruit, rear some meat and have a deal with a local farmer for the rest. We both have jobs but only work to what we need, we are not rich but we are very, very happy as are our two beautiful children.
Today we went to Sil birthday. As a present I had made her a summer type shawl, a cake, some scones and jam and some home-made wine. I had put a lot of effort into the shawl which was made from a unwanted wedding dress, so really beautiful material. Sil and other Sil got drunk and started mocking our gifts, 'why couldn't we be normal?', 'a bottle of perfume would have been better', 'did we really think others liked this sort of thing' and 'we were just weird and our children would grow up weird' 'we owed it to our children to let them grow up in the real world'. I was deeply, deeply offended by these comments, and then felt even worse when they started almost attacking us by getting very aggressive and trying to get us to justify the way we lived. I basically said what I have in the first paragraph, then we left, DH was mortified (there his sil's!) and really angry. I know they were being rude and unreasonable, but AIBU to think I shouldn't have to justify our lifestyle to others just because we choose to live differently, this is no-ones concern but ours surely?

OP posts:
WipsGlitter · 19/05/2014 11:20

I wasn't being critical, what I was saying was that in some cases - not yours - it can appear that they are playing at doing this and it's more of a hobby or a temporary choice. So, one person I know who did this - cottage in the middle of no-where, simple life, no telly, etc etc Was massively rich and dipped in and out of his simple life as it suited him. Similarly my SIL goes from job to job because she has no mortgage, so while she professes to want a simpler life she doesn't really have to live in the real world where people need a job!!

There's nothing wrong with the way you live, as long as you don't judge people who don't chose a similar path!

Fleta · 19/05/2014 11:40

It shouldn't matter whether the gift is to your taste or not. Basic good manners and the ability to function as a sentient adult should mean that you say "thank you" for any gift you're given.

OnlyLovers · 19/05/2014 11:40

What a beautiful thing to do, to make such thoughtful presents, OP. Presents made with love are very very special and should be received with thanks and gratitude (well, all presents should but you know what I mean!).

I don't think you sound smug or judgemental in the least.

I'm glad they've apologised but I have to say I tend to think in vino veritas. I wouldn't put so much thought and care into presents for them in the future, TBH, but I suspect you're a nicer person than me and will be able to move on. Grin

Meerka · 19/05/2014 12:38

recall I would have been very hurt indeed too.

I can sort of see them getting carried away and saying much more than they meant to, but it was horribly rude and hurtful. But it does sound like the apolgoies were heartfelt.

you'll know if your SIL really does love the shawl if she wears it, or if you hear of her wearing it.

Some things can't be unsaid even after a heartfelt apology (though that helps) but I hope that over time things can fade a bit.

Topaz25 · 19/05/2014 12:49

What does your DH think? Did they apologise to him too?

Ioethe · 19/05/2014 13:08

If you'd given them a bag of half eaten cookies and a tyre iron, they should have said thank you politely and left it at that. You don't have to justify anything to anybody, and tbh I probably wouldn't have bothered!

CrayolaCocaColaRocknRolla · 19/05/2014 13:16

YADNBU. In this sense, My parents like dictating on how me and OH live. For financial reasons we can't move out yet into our own house. Parents like mine want me to stay at home for another 5 years to put a deposit down when I think it'd be better to rent or private rent first. They think being told to Private Rent is very irresponsible. I think it's my choice and no one can tell me and OH what we can and can't do to make life easier for ourselves.
Again, digressing a bit from what you're saying, I really do believe how you live your life is absolutely nothing to do with anyone else as long as you're not hurting anybody, which you're not! I think from what you've said it's very simple and lovely.
I think the thought is better than the actual gift. Anyone see Breaking Bad where Walter gave his friend a packet of noodles and he loved that more than the brand new guitar he bought? It really is the thought that counts. Then saying "you're weird" because of how you live?
really?
I really thought this was just my family.

RecallReg · 19/05/2014 13:17

Topaz tbh they tend to talk to me to speak to him anyway, so I think the apology was meant for the both of us, he's pleased they apologised and just sort of said we'll draw a line under it. I am hurt but will just move on, I think I will talk/ act more cautiously with them for a while and refrain from talking about what we are doing at home etc, but I do feel the apologies were heartfelt, so not sure I can really ask for more than that.

OP posts:
DenzelWashington · 19/05/2014 13:19

It isn't just the nasty comments, it's the 'ganging up' on you dynamic that I think was so unpleasant.

The apology is all very well, but I think their cards should be marked, and you would not be unreasonable if you backed right off them and let your DH communicate with them, at least for a while.

LaBelleDameSansPatience · 19/05/2014 13:29

And... (I have been pondering while watering the polytunnel since this is my day at home looking after my mother) ... why is it that 'hand-made in Bolivia is fine and wonderful and attracts a premium - just look at the prices in arty little boutiques - whereas 'hand-made in Bolton' means Oxfam will bin it?
And another thing (I had quite some thinking time in there) ... if you had costed your time it would have been far more expensive than a cheap factory-made-by-Bangladeshi-children-on-the-sixth-floor-of-a-crumbling-factory shawl, so why is the latter more acceptable? Or indeed, a bottle of Lidl perfume?

TheRealMaryMillington · 19/05/2014 13:44

I'm glad you've had an apology OP, and that all is now well. It must have been horrible.

I was thinking about this and there is in the way that you choose to live an intrinsic criticism of SIL's own choices and way of life. She probably also knows that your choices are better ones than hers.

There is a hint of it here:
"It is the mass consumerism and capitalism we reject, we don't believe it is long term good for society or the environment, but we perfectly accept that we are in a minority here."

I'm not so sure you are in that much of a minority any more(maybe within your family and social circle). Lots of people would like to live a simpler life, but the world is set up in such a way that most people cannot. It's not an easy path.

Hoppinggreen · 19/05/2014 13:49

To be totally honest the gifts you gave probably wouldn't have been my cuppa but you would never have known as I wouldn't have been so rude as to show it.
I would also never attack anyone for the lifestyle they choose.
They showed very bad manners, nasty nasty cowbags

KERALA1 · 19/05/2014 13:51

My dh agitates for me to invite one particular couple over as she always brings home made chutney that he is now addicted to branstons a pale imitation

StanleyLambchop · 19/05/2014 14:09

Next year give her a bag of Maltesers from the pound shop and tell her where she can stick her consumerism. YANBU, and your lifestyle sounds lovely.

QueenofallIsee · 19/05/2014 15:03

Pair of bitches - I would have been very hurt to be ganged up on like that. I guess the lesson is just to not give so freely (emotionally I mean) as not everyone is deserving.

I am really happy that your MIL apologized on their behalf and that they were big enough to say sorry though..Mumsnet is full of stories of people that won't!

sashh · 19/05/2014 15:06

I would love your gifts.

But even if I though 'what the hell?' you would never have known about it.

I tend to get given tat that I really don't want but none of the people who have given the stuff too me would know or will ever know. It's just plain rude. And it is also kind of someone to get you something, even if it is not to your taste.

Your lifestyle is your choice, and who wants to be normal when you can have interesting?

Can I swap you a cheap plastic watch for a shawl? It's pink with love hearts. In fact would you just like it anyway? You can give it to SIL as a normal present next time.

PoshPenny · 19/05/2014 15:13

definitely it's your business. clearly they enjoyed your home made wine a little much (how ironic) and as the saying goes, "in vino veritas". Oh dear, what a mess.

baskingseals · 19/05/2014 16:14

I think LaBelle raises a good point.
why is shop bought considered, or can be considered a cut above home made?
is it just all about the money?

curiousuze · 19/05/2014 16:14

At least you can take comfort in the fact that the two SILs will have had the absolute worst, horrendous, paranoid hangovers of doom yesterday. You know that feeling you get when you wake up and can't remember the end of the night? And you imagine all the horrendous things you might have done or said, and spend the day shuddering under the duvet? They actually did the things. I bet they felt DREADFUL.

OP I adore the sound of your gifts, how thoughtful they are, and how cruel and hurtful they were to make fun of them. I am really interested in how you live your live and wondered if you keep a blog or anything?

SouthernComforts · 19/05/2014 16:26

You sound lovely OP, and that's from the least green city girl ever!

Fuck em, ungrateful cows.

weeblueberry · 19/05/2014 16:29

I'd burst into great ugly tears of happiness if someone gave me those things...

GreenPetal94 · 19/05/2014 16:55

Cake, wine, scones I would love. However whenever anyone gives me clothes, scarves etc I tend not to wear them, homemade or bought. I'm just very picky about clothes. However if I do receive a gift I don't like I would never say.

I think it is very upsetting, just because they are drunk doesn't mean they are unaware they are being rude. I think it's ok to ask why you like to live simply (to a certain extent), but its not ok to laugh at the gifts.

FengMa · 19/05/2014 17:10

IME, narrow-minded people want everybody to be the same and CAN'T understand why anyone would want to be anything but mainstream, having haircuts at the same places, shopping at the same places, seeing the same films, listening to the same crappy radio station...

Ppppppppttttttttttthhhhhhhhh I say!

I've bought (admittedly, not made) really thoughtful things for rellies in the past and had an "erm, I really would have preferred high st voucher" look. I trouble myself a lot less now!

YANBU. Take heart from the overwhelmingly positive PPs.

Cailleach · 19/05/2014 17:22

For many years now, my ancient and barking mad grandmother has bought me chinzty plates with tooth-achingly twee pictures of kittens on them as birthday and christmas gifts. I like cats you see, therefore I must like that sort of thing. Obviously.

And I like them do - I really do.

I use them as catfood plates, so when I get Yet Another Tacky Kitty Plate From Granny I smile winningly at her and say "thank you" with all the sincerity I can muster.

Not to do so would make me the most dreadful ungrateful cunt, for it is the thought that counts, no?

Take heart, OP; their reaction says everything about them and nothing about you.

oldgrandmama · 19/05/2014 17:28

Just come to this thread late ... your presents, OP, sound lovely. And those harpies are unappreciative gits not to appreciate them.

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