Subway - Halal issue

[CiderLover]

I feel a bit annoyed that 200 Subway stores are removing their Ham and Bacon due to requests from their Muslim customers.

I think the process of producing Halal meat is cruel, but obviously that isn't an issue to Subway.

There are plenty of Subway stores that advertise their pork as being Halal so why this? It's not earth shattering stuff but ...

Should I move to a muslim country and want to open a strip club would that be allowed?

Right, apparently I spoke out of turn!

Dh has just informed me that the majority of the chicken they sell is halal. It is not halal he has a problem with. My mistake.

I do, however, remember him telling me years ago that there was a form of slaughter he didn't like. Perhaps it was kosher.

He has always worked in the same private, local butchers shop. They work mainly with game and source their meat from local farms. They pay over the odds for this.

My mistake, I stand corrected. He says that halal is no different really than any other slaughter except its blessed by a priest first.

Sikhs are mainly vegetarians and mostly wouldn't concern themselves over it tbh.

Sikhs are mainly vegetarians and mostly wouldn't concern themselves over it tbh.

Not the Sikhs I know.

MrsDeVere

Also there couldn't be anything in the Bible about Halal, the Bible predates Islam.

Sikhs are mainly vegetarians and mostly wouldn't concern themselves over it tbh

not my next door neighours

The veterinary association should change their damn language to say non stun meat is cruel

Yes, I agree; at the very least it might avoid misunderstanding. Speaking of which, I'm now bewildered after a quick google search brought up several different certifying bodies, not all of whom agree over the stunning issue - link below, though it will need copy and pasting as I can't seem to create live links (There's also useful info on which food outlets they each oversee). Just to confuse matters further, there's a World Halal Council too, which apparently wants to combine them all in one body

Seems to me the whole thing gets more complicated the further it's looked into, which is surely yet another reason for everyone having the opportunity to eat what they choose - within the law, of course

barnabasfund.org/US/Halal-Certification-Organisations-UK-Ireland.html

Well, ok, my Sikh family (of which there are hundreds) wouldn't :)

Thanks Devonian I think it will be non stun slaughter he dislikes which I would agree with. Most slaughtermen hate it too and commercially speaking itsa nnightmare as the cleandown is harder (sorry ).

sassh that's an interesting angle not something I had considered.

Puzzled it is ridiculously confusing and as there is no central muslim "church" so to speak unlike say catholocism where what the pope says goes. It means there can't be any agreement. Personal opinion is the majority of halal meat here has always been stunned, tge majority of muslims have eaten it and just believed/not cared, a lot of religious leaders don't have an issue with stunning so just blanket ban stunning. Stop talking about it and those that are absolutely convinced its wrong can go veggie as they do in New Zealand.

Not sure where that leaves Kosher though and the opinions of that community.

Blanket ban non stunning I meant to say!

It is ridiculously confusing and as there is no central muslim "church" so to speak unlike say catholocism where what the pope says goes. It means there can't be any agreement

So glad it wasn't just me failing to understand As regards the Kosher issue, yes it does appear that they don't accept stunning at all, but once again the goalposts get shifted to avoid "offending religious sensitivities"

While I'm not as concerned about animal rights as some, this is certanly yet another reason why I'd personally remove "protected status" for ALL religions - and that's speaking as a (bad) christian myself

Sikhs are mainly vegetarians and mostly wouldn't concern themselves over it tbh.

I know a few Sikh veggies, including some of my in-laws, but I know a lot of Sikh meat eaters as well. Some of them might not eat ritually slaughtered meat, but I can't imagine any of them making a fuss about it - they would probably just go for a veggie option instead. I'm certainly not aware of this being a major issue for them.

Which is what I said Jinsei...they wouldn't make a fuss :)

Well, it sounds like Sikhs don't take their religion as seriously as Muslims which is just as well if there's going to be a conflict between one wanting all meat to be ritually slaughtered and one not being able to eat it.

Oh ffs, Subway have had this in place for SEVEN YEARS! SEVEN YEARS! Sick to death of banwaggoners. Pork halal? Just goes to show people moaning about this have no idea what the hell they're moaning about apart from 'Muslims imposing their beliefs on us'
If you had a business and no one was ordering anything with ham or pork would it make business sense to get it in just to throw it away at the end of the day?

Oh and if youre that arsed about animal cruelty stop eating meat. I'm sure the animals aren't happy whichever way they die

Manticlimactic I just came on to say the exact same!

Of the 5 subways in this city only 1 is one of the halal ones. This particular store is smack in the centre of an area where a massive majority (talking 80% plus) are muslim or jewish and where there just isn't a market for pork. They would be mad NOT to take it off the menu there in my opinion.

This is not about a religion imposing their beliefs its about a businesses bottom line.

The 'halal pork' comment reminds me of one of the school mums I overhead saying 'well if they don't like it they can piss off back to Islam'. Modern day racists are so thick.

What are Subway meatballs made of? Can you get them in the Halal franchises?

waffly I've had it up to here with people who bandwaggon. At work I've had to deal with complaints on how meat is slaughtered and they just don't get it. EVERY email/letter is exactly the same. People just blindly copy and paste when they're told to without thinking about it or looking into the propaganda they're being asked to spread. And they say they don't like being told what they should be doing in their own country. Oh the irony!

1. Which Subway® menu items are pork-free?

The following sandwiches and salads ingredients are pork free: Meatball Marinara, Cold Cut Trio™ (US only), Tuna, Roast Beef, SUBWAY® Seafood & Crab®, Turkey Breast, Steak & Cheese, Roasted Chicken and Sweet Onion Chicken Teriyaki. Additionally, our vegetables, sauces and cheeses are pork free.

Thanks Manti. I'm surei should engage with this discussion at a higher level, but I'm far more interested in getting a meatball sub.

Just because a franchise does halal meat doesn't necessarily mean they don't do pork products. Halal is more for the chicken and beef. They can sell pork if they want and give the choice of halal meat for their customers (cos pork can never be halal).

Because we are a free country and franchise owners can serve whatever they like and what sells.
The Middle East sadly has much less freedom for it's inhabitants so you couldn't do as you choose there.
All your post is showing is how the uk is a free and tolerant place and I think that's a good thing

Well they've lost my family, as infrequent as we were, as customers because my dc's will only eat ham. I don't even eat bread as I'm low carbs so there's no point in going at all.