Subway - Halal issue

[CiderLover]

I feel a bit annoyed that 200 Subway stores are removing their Ham and Bacon due to requests from their Muslim customers.

I think the process of producing Halal meat is cruel, but obviously that isn't an issue to Subway.

There are plenty of Subway stores that advertise their pork as being Halal so why this? It's not earth shattering stuff but ...

Should I move to a muslim country and want to open a strip club would that be allowed?

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

I think the fact that Sikhs are less likely to make a fuss is all the more reason to watch out for their rights too

I couldn't agree more - but then I prefer to see everyone's rights given proper attention, not just those who shout loudest

Your point about the schools is the same one that I made upthread; as I said, it's fine where folks can simply go elsewhere, but perhaps not quite so good when they can't

[BackOnlyBriefly]

BuzzardBird and Jinsei my real point was that the religion/feelings of Sikhs (and others) was in danger of being dismissed as unimportant compared to that of Muslims.

I think the fact that Sikhs are less likely to make a fuss is all the more reason to watch out for their rights too. They can avoid a subway and so can I, but increasingly we're hearing that it's okay to serve halal to everyone (in schools for example) because the opinions of people who don't want it don't count.

That general point bothers me far more than this one chain. If subway are that sloppy with the food I'm surprised that anyone wants to eat there.

[itsbetterthanabox]

Ok so you run a subway in an area highly populated with Muslim people.
Many strict Muslims won't go there due to the meats being handled together (As a vegetarian I know how useless subway staff can be when it comes to veg mixing with meat). You want to increase sales and you see your store don't sell much pork anyway. It makes sense to stop pork and go halal so that the majority of he people in the area will eat there. You still serve everything else, it doesn't stop non Muslims eating there. Just increases customers.

[TiggyD]

Halal Subways have a big sign on them saying they are halal. Like on this page.

You'll only get mixed up if you're an idiot.

[Jinsei]

Well, it sounds like Sikhs don't take their religion as seriously as Muslims which is just as well if there's going to be a conflict between one wanting all meat to be ritually slaughtered and one not being able to eat it.

Of course they take their religion seriously - at least, many of them do. However, the Sikh religion teaches people to be accepting of other faiths, so perhaps they're less likely to kick up a fuss about halal meat just for the sake of it, unlike some people on this thread. They're more likely to eat the veggie option or go somewhere else for lunch instead.

[BuzzardBird]

Sikhs do take their religion as seriously (that is really insulting to say otherwise). I said they wouldn't make a fuss...as in, they were go for the vegetarian option. There was no need to insult a whole religion.

[nennypops]

But RedFocus, have you actually checked what your local Subway is doing? As it's only a few of their outlets going halal, the chances are you dcs can still get their ham fix. Or you could try to move them onto a wider diet.

[RedFocus]

Well they've lost my family, as infrequent as we were, as customers because my dc's will only eat ham. I don't even eat bread as I'm low carbs so there's no point in going at all.

[itsbetterthanabox]

Because we are a free country and franchise owners can serve whatever they like and what sells.
The Middle East sadly has much less freedom for it's inhabitants so you couldn't do as you choose there.
All your post is showing is how the uk is a free and tolerant place and I think that's a good thing

[manticlimactic]

Just because a franchise does halal meat doesn't necessarily mean they don't do pork products. Halal is more for the chicken and beef. They can sell pork if they want and give the choice of halal meat for their customers (cos pork can never be halal).

[SueDNim]

Thanks Manti. I'm surei should engage with this discussion at a higher level, but I'm far more interested in getting a meatball sub.

[manticlimactic]

1. Which Subway® menu items are pork-free?
   

The following sandwiches and salads ingredients are pork free: Meatball Marinara, Cold Cut Trio™ (US only), Tuna, Roast Beef, SUBWAY® Seafood & Crab®, Turkey Breast, Steak & Cheese, Roasted Chicken and Sweet Onion Chicken Teriyaki. Additionally, our vegetables, sauces and cheeses are pork free.

[manticlimactic]

waffly I've had it up to here with people who bandwaggon. At work I've had to deal with complaints on how meat is slaughtered and they just don't get it. EVERY email/letter is exactly the same. People just blindly copy and paste when they're told to without thinking about it or looking into the propaganda they're being asked to spread. And they say they don't like being told what they should be doing in their own country. Oh the irony!

[SueDNim]

What are Subway meatballs made of? Can you get them in the Halal franchises?

[cheekygeeky]

The 'halal pork' comment reminds me of one of the school mums I overhead saying 'well if they don't like it they can piss off back to Islam'. Modern day racists are so thick.

[waffilyversati1e]

Manticlimactic I just came on to say the exact same!

Of the 5 subways in this city only 1 is one of the halal ones. This particular store is smack in the centre of an area where a massive majority (talking 80% plus) are muslim or jewish and where there just isn't a market for pork. They would be mad NOT to take it off the menu there in my opinion.

This is not about a religion imposing their beliefs its about a businesses bottom line.

[manticlimactic]

Oh and if youre that arsed about animal cruelty stop eating meat. I'm sure the animals aren't happy whichever way they die

[manticlimactic]

Oh ffs, Subway have had this in place for SEVEN YEARS! SEVEN YEARS! Sick to death of banwaggoners. Pork halal? Just goes to show people moaning about this have no idea what the hell they're moaning about apart from 'Muslims imposing their beliefs on us'
If you had a business and no one was ordering anything with ham or pork would it make business sense to get it in just to throw it away at the end of the day?

[BackOnlyBriefly]

Well, it sounds like Sikhs don't take their religion as seriously as Muslims which is just as well if there's going to be a conflict between one wanting all meat to be ritually slaughtered and one not being able to eat it.

[BuzzardBird]

Which is what I said Jinsei...they wouldn't make a fuss :)

[Jinsei]

Sikhs are mainly vegetarians and mostly wouldn't concern themselves over it tbh.

I know a few Sikh veggies, including some of my in-laws, but I know a lot of Sikh meat eaters as well. Some of them might not eat ritually slaughtered meat, but I can't imagine any of them making a fuss about it - they would probably just go for a veggie option instead. I'm certainly not aware of this being a major issue for them.

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

It is ridiculously confusing and as there is no central muslim "church" so to speak unlike say catholocism where what the pope says goes. It means there can't be any agreement

So glad it wasn't just me failing to understand As regards the Kosher issue, yes it does appear that they don't accept stunning at all, but once again the goalposts get shifted to avoid "offending religious sensitivities"

While I'm not as concerned about animal rights as some, this is certanly yet another reason why I'd personally remove "protected status" for ALL religions - and that's speaking as a (bad) christian myself

[softlysoftly]

Blanket ban non stunning I meant to say!

[softlysoftly]

Thanks Devonian I think it will be non stun slaughter he dislikes which I would agree with. Most slaughtermen hate it too and commercially speaking itsa nnightmare as the cleandown is harder (sorry ).

sassh that's an interesting angle not something I had considered.

Puzzled it is ridiculously confusing and as there is no central muslim "church" so to speak unlike say catholocism where what the pope says goes. It means there can't be any agreement. Personal opinion is the majority of halal meat here has always been stunned, tge majority of muslims have eaten it and just believed/not cared, a lot of religious leaders don't have an issue with stunning so just blanket ban stunning. Stop talking about it and those that are absolutely convinced its wrong can go veggie as they do in New Zealand.

Not sure where that leaves Kosher though and the opinions of that community.