Subway - Halal issue

[CiderLover]

I feel a bit annoyed that 200 Subway stores are removing their Ham and Bacon due to requests from their Muslim customers.

I think the process of producing Halal meat is cruel, but obviously that isn't an issue to Subway.

There are plenty of Subway stores that advertise their pork as being Halal so why this? It's not earth shattering stuff but ...

Should I move to a muslim country and want to open a strip club would that be allowed?

I think if it was a welfare issue - having shown that subway will only be using pre-stunned halal meat (so stunned before slaughter like all other meat) then that's is the end of the argument regarding halal + Subway

it's not though - otherwise people would be equally concerned with the figures regarding failed stunning in 'normal' slaughter and with Kosher meat

when people only focus on Halal meat it does have Muslamaphobic shades to it

Tilly I am a vegetarian. I find the whole issue utterly depressing to be honest. I am tired of being labeled a UKIP supporter or a bigot because I do not agree with the practice of halal slaughter.

Power yes???it has already been established waaaaay back in the thread that the majority of halal meat is stunned. However, that still leaves thousands of animals who are not stunned and bled to death. Will that meat be labeled as such?

Cantbelieve The unstunned meat is likely to be consumed by the ultra-religious. Most general retailers/food outlets are likely to use stunned meat.

Power I hope you are right.

Cant I believe we should have a blanket law banning non stun slaughter.

I believe that such a law was supported by muslim groups on NZ and passed.

Kosher meat in NZ is still non stun because there was too much pressure against it.

I think that the issue the EDL etc use this as an excuse to rail against halal when the most presdure will actually come from kosher.

FWIW I support the blanket ban. Work in the meat industry AND have a muslim family so no bigotry here!

I don't actually think you are racist/a UKIP supporter etc. I think a fair few others on this thread are however.

Can't yesterday you stated you didn't care about the number of animals who where un stunned by mistake during 'normal' slaughter as you didn't eat meat

why are you then so concerned about unstunned meat when it slaughtered halal

If it was welfare surely BOTH things would bother you

I do not think, nor have I ever stated, that everyone who objects to Halal meat is a bigot or racist

My comment was a general one, MrsdeVere - it wasn't aimed at any particular poster or even at MN in isolation

FWIW I fully agree that these threads can sometimes be started by bigots, though whether it's "many, many" of them is maybe a bit more subjective

I have to admit my own concern for animal welfare is perhaps less than some; I respect the views of those who care passionately but personally feel that other concerns are more of a priority

What I do care about is the issue of personal choice. Of course there'll sometimes be conflicts, but it worries me when people start to feel steamrollered by others' needs/requests/demands/pick any one you like

I have no axe to grind in the halal/non-halal animal cruelty & welfare debate, as I eat meat and have undoubtedly eaten some not particularly well cared for animal flesh in my time.

However. I live on the East London/Essex border in an area which has become increasingly Muslim in the 26 years I've lived here. Not a problem. Most takeaways and restaurants in the area are halal. Not a problem. All the local butchers are halal. Not a problem.

But I have a DD who is an immensely picky eater. Subway is one of the few places we can stop to have something to eat when out because she can specify exactly what she wants. Which is always a plain ham sub with cucumber. I've just checked that link to branches, and all 3 of the Subways in our town are halal. The nearest (and only) non-halal branch is (you can't make this up) in East Ham, which is totally out of our way and would not be en-route to the shops.

If this is actually true that the halal branches are no longer serving ham at all (I intend to check this in person tomorrow), then that is one less place I can rely on to get DD something to eat when we're out and about. I've tried her with the halal substitutes for pork that other places in town have and invariably they have some kind of spice in them, so she can't eat them.

IF it's true, I am rather cross, as there are more than enough halal places in our town for people to eat at. I don't get why having pork products for pork eaters in a shop that serves everybody would offend Muslim sensibilities so badly - no-one's forcing them to have ham in their subs, and there shouldn't be cross-contamination of ingredients anyway. In fact our corner shop, run by a nice Muslim family, sells bacon and sausage in their fridge area, so I'm rather confused by all this.

If of course, it's true. As Mrs DV says, we have elections coming up...

gordy oh believe me I care very much about what happens to ALL animals in the meat industry. But do find and re-post the comment where I stated I didn't care about those halal animals that were slaughtered without stunning because I don't eat meat and am more than happy to stand corrected.

softly thank you

Lovecat the East Ham thing made me smile! I don't know if this is the same for all of the halal ones, but my local branches (also all halal) have only been serving turkey-ham in the place of ham for years. It tastes just the same to me (perhaps because I tell them to load up that south-west sauce!)

I asked if you cared about the % of normally slaughtered meat where stunning failed

I don't eat meat so your additional % would have no impact on me.

was your reply - I didn't mention halal I am asking why you don't care about the % or NON halal meat that goes unstunned

if you don't care about that why do you care about the % of unstunned halal meat?

or the totally unstunned kosher meat trade?

Lovecat in subway the meats are all stored side by side and open - which has a risk of contamination - fridge wrapped and sealed bacon is different

Subway are franchises - if the owner doesn't want to sell pork they have that choice

SoFetch (stop trying to make that happen! :o ) if that's the case then it's a good substitute, because normally DD susses out 'fake' meat a mile off - I've tried to get her to have chicken or turkey before now and she refuses point blank, so if it's just that but dyed pink... bwah ha hahaaa! Don't think I'll be telling her that... :o

Yes Gordy, they do, but that diminishes my choice to... well, taking a packed lunch to the shops. Or eating at Frankie & Bennys, which is the only other place in town she will actually have something off the menu from, which is too expensive and time-consuming for a quick bite to eat when out shopping.

I don't think it's unreasonable for me to be mildly annoyed about that, really?

It's like slang from England! (So happy that someone else knows the quotes

I can't actually remember what it looks like if I'm honest. But now I want one... Give it a go

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I hate to drag this in, but since "cheese" and "substitutions" have both been mentioned ...

Apparently there's something called "cheese analogue" which cooks up just like mozzarella but is much cheaper and is therefore gets used on fast food chain pzzas instead of the real thing. Luckily, I don't each much pizza