Subway - Halal issue

[CiderLover]

I feel a bit annoyed that 200 Subway stores are removing their Ham and Bacon due to requests from their Muslim customers.

I think the process of producing Halal meat is cruel, but obviously that isn't an issue to Subway.

There are plenty of Subway stores that advertise their pork as being Halal so why this? It's not earth shattering stuff but ...

Should I move to a muslim country and want to open a strip club would that be allowed?

There was a guy complaining on facebook that he couldn't find a non-halal supplier of Easter eggs...

I asked how the holy hell one could produce non-halal chocolate. No reply, though.

Isn't there a recipe for chocolate-coated bacon out there on the internets somewhere?

Sounds ghastly, I know, but definitely not halal chocolate.

Euuuurggggh!

I don't see what the bloody problem is? Everyone is always going on at Muslims to "integrate" and "mix in with the community", well food is a great way for people to get together. I can see the appeal of young adult friends from college or university being able to go to one place to eat together, eating the same stuff instead of one or two being left out eating something different.

And it's only 200 stores. There's only one halal store in my city. There's about 4 others that aren't halal so there's enough other places to go if you're a stupid bigot.

Haha is this shit still going? I'm still laughing at the halal pork though.

Why would anyone want to eat at subway anyway?

Ahhh here are the food snobs.

Because they can, because they wan't to, because it's none of your concern.

I can see the appeal of young adult friends from college or university being able to go to one place to eat together, eating the same stuff instead of one or two being left out eating something different

Interesting point about them all eating "the same stuff," which reminds me of our local college; it has approx 12% muslim intake and has swapped to serving entirely halal meat to avoid any conflict in interest for those mulim students

Can I ask if you agree with that?

Deaky: basically i find it offensive they no longer sell the pork products because the implication is they can't enter an establishment with pork on the premises (wrong) or that people should be given no choice in the matter its forcing you into a lifestyle choice whether you agree or not

Why on earth is it offensive? Guess what, my local fishmongers and greengrocers don't sell pork products, yet we all manage to cope. My local Italian restaurant doesn't have any pork products on the menu, not for any religious reason at all but because it's quite a limited menu and the meat in things like lasagne and spaghetti bolognaise is all beef.

It doesn't force anyone into any lifestyle choice. The worst you can say for it is that you might have to walk a few steps further to find another shop if you want to buy pork. So what?

puzzledandpissedoff yes I do agree with it .

That's fair enough, BigRedBall, and of course I respect your view. How, though, does the college's decision respect the choice of non-muslim students, if they prefer not to eat halal products?

I can quite see that town visitors can pick one of the many non-halal restaurants - though it's a shame you labelled them "stupid bigots" for exercising their own choice - but college students can often be stuck with what's on offer because of time issues

It could have been solved by offering both halal and non-halal food, but they've not done that; instead they've swapped to halal only

So don't the non-halal eaters deserve consideration too?

Actually after reading this thread I have half a mind to vote for UKIP, because apparently that is all you need.

So don't the non-halal eaters deserve consideration too?

I think you'll find most non halal eaters don't care how their meat is butchered and put on their plate. You probably do, but in reality very few care. If more people did, McDonalds would have gone out of business a long time ago.

I doubt the college students in your city care either. If they did they would have signed petitions against it. Our city has a halal Nandos that is always flooded with students. They go there by choice.

You say "non-halal eaters" like they have a strict rule to follow. They actually have a choice to eat it, or not eat it. Halal eaters only have a choice to not eat at all or have vegetarian. Is that fair?

Having a "non-halal" option would mean having pork in the same kitchen, touching the same surfaces which would make the "halal" option pointless.

Surely if a student was that opposed to eating halal n welfare grounds they would be concerned enough to avoid all canteen meat products?

You could well be right; it's simply that I'd prefer them ALL to have the choice about whether they eat to any special code or not

Nothing wrong at all with catering to individual tastes, whatever the reason for them - but as we've already seen on here, this kind of decision can bring accusations about "preferential treatment" and so on, and for me that doesn't help anyone

Funnily enough Buzzard I thought of you this morning, I had not one but two UKIP flyers land on my doormat. I'm guessing the extra one is because they know I've posted on this thread

I doubt the college students in your city care either. If they did they would have signed petitions against it

Actually they did - there was a hell of a stink about it at the time

I completely take your point about having pork products in the same area, but this can easily be overcome with sensible arrangements. I've been involved myself in buffet preparation for mixed groups (in a fairly small kitchen area) and found that, with a bit of common sense on all sides, it was perfectly possible to keep everyone happy

The college would have made the decision for financial reasons rather than the appeasing the Muslim reason that's often given.

sister STILL chuntering I see.

Cantbelieve
Still talking bollocks I see. (insert passive aggressive smiley for added immaturity)

I have loads of local Subways and they all sell halal meat (as far as I know!) I often go in them with my muslim friend and she's never complained!

I haven't heard the story (nor read through the thread, if I'm being honest), but will the halal stores stop serving ham subs then? They're my favourite!

Oh wait, posted too soon. I just checked their site and realised they sell turkey-ham instead of ham-ham in halal stores. This is what I always get (and is yummy!) Ignore me!

Puzzledandpissedoff, "with a bit of common sense"? Really? This is religion we're talking about. If common sense got a look in they'd bin the 1500-years-out-of-date food hygiene regs and get some up to date ones as a merest first step.

sister Oh dear. Never mind..... Perhaps a speck of dust will move and you can spend the next four hours wittering on about it.

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So the story is that a convenience food chain franchise has facilitated it's franchises by allowing them to offer deviations from their standard menu by not stocking a product which doesn't sell v well in the local area and actively deters a potential large customer base.....

Furthermore, it now purchases meat which is stunned before slaughter [in compliance with UK legislation] but also has a prayer said over it.

If someone chooses to say a prayer over the head of a dying animal regardless of which faith it stems from, I have no issue with that. And I'm an atheist.

The rest of this is just bigotted EDL crap.

Get back to me when the government mandates that ALL meat must be HALAL or Subway do not purchase pre-stunned meat. That's an actual story.

What middle Eastern governments insist on as behaviour standards is totally irrelvant to this conversation. To imply that it is, is just completely bigotted