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to think that he is entitled to refuse this

265 replies

messclearer · 28/12/2013 19:18

I have name changed for this as it is very sensitive to me and my family and I’ll try to keep it as broef as possible.

My sister is gay and her and her wife (they have a civil partnership) have wanted to have a child for some time. I have a younger brother who is 19 and one months ago Dsis and DSil asked him whether he would donate sperm for artificial insemination. DSis has implicitly stated that this is what was going to happen was going to happen for the last few years without ever telling him and no-one in the family has ever challenged her (I accept that this is partly my fault). My brother initially told them that he would need to have a long think about it but last week told them that he did not to do it. Since then my sister and the family and some of our family friends have reacted very nastily towards him, my mum and dad uninvited him from Christmas dinner and my sister sent him some very nasty texts along with telling everyone that he is dead to her and that she has no brother etc.

I feel that it is his choice though and the reason he gives for not doing it (he would feel uncomfortable around a child he had biologically fathered but was not their parent) is a reasonable one regardless of whether you accept it or not. I saw him yesterday and he is shell shocked by the whole thing and the way that most people he has known since he was very young have turned on him. I feel terrible for him as he has suffered vitriol from most member of our family in the last week or so for making a legitimate choice. DH seems to think that the initial reaction is expected and although it is unpleasant at the moment, it was an inevitable consequence of this decision in an emotionally charged environment but that it will inevitably blow over. I feel horrendous about the whole thing for him as so many people have turned on him for making a choice that is acceptable in my opinion alongside the ridiculous assumption on the part of my sister that he was certain to agree to this request.

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TheNightIsDark · 28/12/2013 19:19

So he would be his nephews child? HINBU to refuse. It's his sperm, his choice. Your family's reaction is very unreasonable.

Ifcatshadthumbs · 28/12/2013 19:21

That's awful. Shame on your sister and on your family. I sincerely hope you will stand by your brother on this.

BuilderofDuplo · 28/12/2013 19:22

YANBU, I feel for your brother and it was a very big thing for your sister to assume he would be happy to do, he is in no way unreasonable to decline to provide sperm.

RunRabbit · 28/12/2013 19:22

Did you stand up for him?

I find it hard to believe any sane person would think he's being unreasonable TBH.

RedHelenB · 28/12/2013 19:22

Wouldn't that be incest?

TheArmadillo · 28/12/2013 19:23

YANBU

he has the perfect right to say no to this request.

When you say others were aware of this idea - was he told about it before this?

I would offer a lot of support to your brother during this time.

Have you told your sister and parents what you think of their behaviour?

HOMEQCRICH · 28/12/2013 19:23

Id like to be more eloquent but this is simply not on. Poor poor boy. What a can of worms.

ChippingInLovesChristmasLights · 28/12/2013 19:23

Your poor brother :(

Apart from anything else, he's only a kid himself.

Your sister is barking - you cannot make plans like this and assume someone else is going to just go along with them.

I can't believe your parents (and other family/friends, but especially your parents) - if I were you I'd be disowning them and making bloody sure your brother knows HE is in the right here.

TreaterAnita · 28/12/2013 19:23

Bloody hell? Seriously?! Of course he's entitled to refuse and perfectly reasonable for him to do so.

messclearer · 28/12/2013 19:23

TheNightIsDark- No he/she would be his nephem although they would have been conceived using his sperm.

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HerrenaHarridan · 28/12/2013 19:24

I assume your sister was planning to ai her girlfriend with her brothers sperm not herself (this was not clear in your op and I can see everyone getting in a tizzy about that Grin)

Absolutely his right to refuse, but you never know he might change his mind yet, especially if his sister keeps being so nice to him about it

BuilderofDuplo · 28/12/2013 19:24

It wouldn't be incest if the SIL provided the egg and womb.

TheNightIsDark · 28/12/2013 19:24

Sorry I meant his nephews father Blush

ChippingInLovesChristmasLights · 28/12/2013 19:24

RedHelenB one would assume it is the 'wife' that will carry the baby, not the sister. Still weird (if you ask me) but not incest.

Snatchoo · 28/12/2013 19:25

Presumably the wife would be inseminated.

Your brother is NBU in the slightest. Your sister and family are. Ask her if the shoe was on the other foot and your brother wanted her to donate an egg would she be so accepting?

CustardOmlet · 28/12/2013 19:25

What a horrible situation to put your db in, and at such a young age. Your family should be ashamed of them selves and your brother needs to stand by his decision. Make sure you support him and reassure him that you will be there for him.

Groovee · 28/12/2013 19:26

I think he has every right to say no as he would be the biological father to any child they wanted to conceive with his sperm. Your family sound barmy if they think he has to do what his relative says.

messclearer · 28/12/2013 19:26

Sorry I see that I wasn't clear dsis's plan was to inseminate her partner not her (sorry for any confusion).

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Ifcatshadthumbs · 28/12/2013 19:26

I am curious as to why you never challenged her about this before. He's just a teenager fgs!

FesterAddams · 28/12/2013 19:26

This sort of informal donor arrangement could have lifelong financial consequences for him.

Musicaltheatremum · 28/12/2013 19:27

Good for him for being responsible and going with what feels right for him and not for them.( I would assume it would be your sisters wife whose eggs would be used and not your sisters as this would cause problems)
I think the family are being very unfair. I have an 18 year old son and this sort of thing would be a huge deal to him. The reaction of your mum and dad astounds me. They should not have taken sides at all. That is not fair. Poor brother.

aquashiv · 28/12/2013 19:27

DSis has implicitly stated that this is what was going to happen was going to happen for the last few years without ever telling him and no-one in the family has ever challenged her
He would be the father of his sisters child? Yet no one was going to tell him? How would this be possible?

Writerwannabe83 · 28/12/2013 19:27

So his sperm would be used to impregnate his sister's wife?

The way your family have reacted is unbelievable.

Would your sister let the child know that uncle was actually daddy?

Would she have allowed your brother to have a father/son relationship or was he supposed to pretend that he was just the uncle?

I know it isn't incestrous but even so, it's a bit close for comfort isn't it?

messclearer · 28/12/2013 19:27

My family view it as being something he should do as well as well as ensuring that part of both their genes are kept within the child.

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PumpkinPositive · 28/12/2013 19:27

Is this going to be your sister's egg and your brother's sperm?

Surely this isn't even legal? Xmas Confused

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