Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think that he is entitled to refuse this

265 replies

messclearer · 28/12/2013 19:18

I have name changed for this as it is very sensitive to me and my family and I’ll try to keep it as broef as possible.

My sister is gay and her and her wife (they have a civil partnership) have wanted to have a child for some time. I have a younger brother who is 19 and one months ago Dsis and DSil asked him whether he would donate sperm for artificial insemination. DSis has implicitly stated that this is what was going to happen was going to happen for the last few years without ever telling him and no-one in the family has ever challenged her (I accept that this is partly my fault). My brother initially told them that he would need to have a long think about it but last week told them that he did not to do it. Since then my sister and the family and some of our family friends have reacted very nastily towards him, my mum and dad uninvited him from Christmas dinner and my sister sent him some very nasty texts along with telling everyone that he is dead to her and that she has no brother etc.

I feel that it is his choice though and the reason he gives for not doing it (he would feel uncomfortable around a child he had biologically fathered but was not their parent) is a reasonable one regardless of whether you accept it or not. I saw him yesterday and he is shell shocked by the whole thing and the way that most people he has known since he was very young have turned on him. I feel terrible for him as he has suffered vitriol from most member of our family in the last week or so for making a legitimate choice. DH seems to think that the initial reaction is expected and although it is unpleasant at the moment, it was an inevitable consequence of this decision in an emotionally charged environment but that it will inevitably blow over. I feel horrendous about the whole thing for him as so many people have turned on him for making a choice that is acceptable in my opinion alongside the ridiculous assumption on the part of my sister that he was certain to agree to this request.

OP posts:
Musicaltheatremum · 28/12/2013 19:27

Oops lots of cross posting there. Sorry

diddlediddledumpling · 28/12/2013 19:28

Your poor brother. He's lucky to have you standing by him and I hope your dh is right and it blows over.
It's not incest, because no sexual activity would be involved. However, even if he wanted to, his sperm should not be used to fertilise his sister's eggs, because of the increased likelihood of genetic disorders (and also because it's just wrong.)

RandomMess · 28/12/2013 19:28

I'm with your brother on this, so many endless possibilities for boundary crossing. What happens if he's not happy with their parenting style, or he never has dc of his own, what happens if he's actually infertile - were they planning on checking out his sperm???

ClutchingPearls · 28/12/2013 19:28

What they are asking of him is huge, such a lot for him to think about now and in the future. He is NBU to refuse and they should have anticipated it would have been a very slim chance of him saying yes anyway. Poor bloke.

I don't think I would do it (if I was a man) even now after having my family, so to react badly to him speaks volumes. Seems like he made the right decision, sounds unlikely they would support him through it all and help him come to terms with having a relative biologically his child and all the emotions that comes with it.

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme · 28/12/2013 19:29

Even if it would be her partner that carried the child, your brother would still technically be the father of his own nephew and that's just wierd.

Betrayedbutsurvived · 28/12/2013 19:29

I assume it's the sisters partner that intends to carry the baby red.

Op, your sister is barking!

waltermittymissus · 28/12/2013 19:30

Disgusting behaviour from your horrible sister and even more horrible parents.

I hope you're sticking up for him.

He's a kid FFS. And even if he wasn't, how fucking dare they all decide he was going to do this while he was a still a child!

Apart from all of that, it's sort of creepy. Can't they find sperm from someone not related?!

aquashiv · 28/12/2013 19:30

Knowing for years would imply that it was decided when he was under age - FFS that is rather sick, the poor boy.

grimbletart · 28/12/2013 19:31

Your sister is an arse. All choices have consequences and one consequence of being in a single sex relationship is that you are not going to be able to conceive in the 'normal' way. To then try and impose the consequence of your choice on a member of your family and put him in such an invidious position is immature and unspeakably selfish.

BerniceBroadside · 28/12/2013 19:31

That sounds like a recipe for disaster and he should run far, far away from that arrangement.

Am I right in thinking that if it's an informal arrangement he would be financially liable for the child? And I assume it would be as otherwise the fertility clinic's ethics committee would need to approve the arrangement.

KepekCrumbs · 28/12/2013 19:31

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Shallishanti · 28/12/2013 19:32

your poor brother, he is completely within his rights (obviously) and wiser than his sister. So, she is proposing to inseminate herself with his sperm?? Biologically and emotionally a disaster. Even if it was your SIL who was aiming to conceive it strikes me as a bad, bad, idea. Hopefully your family will see sense. Maybe show them the thread? Or maybe there are some books/websites that address the situation. I think his stated reason is perfectly acceptable and it would be challenging I think for any man to see a child grow up who was biologically theirs....even if the family were just friends, rather than blood relations.

waltermittymissus · 28/12/2013 19:32

This is like reading an AIBU from one of the Lannisters!

messclearer · 28/12/2013 19:32

They specifically wanted him as for genetic reasons (and they do look very alike also).

OP posts:
BaaHumbug · 28/12/2013 19:33

Well, tell your Dad that if he feels that strongly about it why doesn't he donate the sperm. Your poor DB, it's his body not some sort of stud service.

HECTheHeraldAngelsSing · 28/12/2013 19:33

Support him in continuing to say no! It is a ridiculous thing for them to be demanding. They have no right to his sperm!
And they can demand child support from him. The csa wont care he was a donor. That exemption only applies to proper clinics.

if your parents think its so important, suggest your dad donates his own sperm to his daughter's wife. If they dont have a problem expecting it of your brother, they wont see it as a problem, right? Daddy can proffer a cup of his own.

MrsKCastle · 28/12/2013 19:33

Your brother has every right to refuse. If your sister and her partner were to split (or even if not) he could find himself financially responsible for the child. It could also make things very awkward/uncomfortable between them- if he disagreed with their parenting style, or if they had difficulties and expected him to be more than an uncle.

Lilacroses · 28/12/2013 19:34

This is really shocking behaviour on your sister's behalf. I speak as a lesbian who had a child with a friend who acted as a donor. It is a HUGE decision on his part and he has every right to say no. In fact if he went ahead but waa secretly very unhappy to do so that would be awful. I do understand your sister and her wife's predicament but, like you I think this poor man is in the right. Am astounded that the rest of your family think otherwise.

ItsBiggerOnTheInside · 28/12/2013 19:35

He absolutely has the right to refuse. Clearly your family see this as a neat way for your sister to be genetically connected to a child carried by her wife..buts it's completely unfair.

So sorry that he is taking so much flak Sad

PumpkinPositive · 28/12/2013 19:35

Ick, ick, ick. I'd be amazed if this is legal.

Who is she going to put as father on the birth cert? If she doesn't name your brother, she's lying on an official document. If she does, he could get tapped for child support.

MerylStrop · 28/12/2013 19:35

YANBU
It would be totally inappropriate even if he was up for it
Inappropriate of them to suggest it and utterly unreasonable of them to behave in this way to his decision
Proof, were it ever needed, that the decision was the right one.

Who are this wider family circle who are turning on him?

RedHelenB · 28/12/2013 19:36

Even so, it is still very messy. The poor boy, some people are so wrapped up in seeking their own happiness that they forget others have feelings too!

Ifcatshadthumbs · 28/12/2013 19:37

Yes absolutely tell your father to hand over his sperm if they feel so strongly about it.

Snatchoo · 28/12/2013 19:37

I bet your dad wouldn't do it either. And arguably, this would solve the problem of your sister having some of her genetic material in the child.

DoubleLifeIsALifeOfSorts · 28/12/2013 19:37

Oh the poor boy. Your family is behaving very cruelly and rather oddly too.

It's your brothers own sperm and it's a part of him, I find it weird that your family had such firm plans for your brothers sperm and it was a sort of agreed family thing... Your brother was a child one year ago he was 18, 18 is very very young, and it's all a bit grim tbh.

I think you need to make sure your brother knows you support him. This whole thing is potentially very damaging for him.