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to think that he is entitled to refuse this

265 replies

messclearer · 28/12/2013 19:18

I have name changed for this as it is very sensitive to me and my family and I’ll try to keep it as broef as possible.

My sister is gay and her and her wife (they have a civil partnership) have wanted to have a child for some time. I have a younger brother who is 19 and one months ago Dsis and DSil asked him whether he would donate sperm for artificial insemination. DSis has implicitly stated that this is what was going to happen was going to happen for the last few years without ever telling him and no-one in the family has ever challenged her (I accept that this is partly my fault). My brother initially told them that he would need to have a long think about it but last week told them that he did not to do it. Since then my sister and the family and some of our family friends have reacted very nastily towards him, my mum and dad uninvited him from Christmas dinner and my sister sent him some very nasty texts along with telling everyone that he is dead to her and that she has no brother etc.

I feel that it is his choice though and the reason he gives for not doing it (he would feel uncomfortable around a child he had biologically fathered but was not their parent) is a reasonable one regardless of whether you accept it or not. I saw him yesterday and he is shell shocked by the whole thing and the way that most people he has known since he was very young have turned on him. I feel terrible for him as he has suffered vitriol from most member of our family in the last week or so for making a legitimate choice. DH seems to think that the initial reaction is expected and although it is unpleasant at the moment, it was an inevitable consequence of this decision in an emotionally charged environment but that it will inevitably blow over. I feel horrendous about the whole thing for him as so many people have turned on him for making a choice that is acceptable in my opinion alongside the ridiculous assumption on the part of my sister that he was certain to agree to this request.

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BigChocolateOrange · 28/12/2013 19:53

YANBU for all of the above reasons.

digerd · 28/12/2013 19:56

I can understand the wanting genes from your side of the family which would not be the case with donor sperm. But your DB does not want to donate and should not be bullied by the family to do so.

motherinferior · 28/12/2013 19:59

Er... All you outraged ones do know this is a fairly common practice, don't you? My lesbian sister got to the point where she was fed up with 'brother-donor' stories. (And for those of you at the back who haven't caught up yet, of course the bio-mum is the sister's parter.)

Having said that, in this case it sounds a bit much for your brother and of course he has the right to say no.

But it's really not the freaky weird thing so many of you are huffing about.

CrockedPot · 28/12/2013 20:00

Shocked at your family's reaction. To be frank, they sound unhinged. Support your brother and protect him from them.

RedHelenB · 28/12/2013 20:02

Thing is, the kid will find out, no such thing as annonymity anymore in the donor world.

friday16 · 28/12/2013 20:03

But it's really not the freaky weird thing so many of you are huffing about.

Perhaps it isn't freaky weird to the recipient.

But it's absolutely OK for the prospective donor to think it is.

A memo that no-one appears to have got in this case (including, it would appear, the OP until it had all turned to recriminations).

secretsofsanta · 28/12/2013 20:03

Outrageous! He's 19!

marmaladeandguitars · 28/12/2013 20:03

Oh my god, YANBU. Your poor brother.

Thisisaghostlyeuphemism · 28/12/2013 20:04

You absolutely have to take your brothers side on this.

motherinferior · 28/12/2013 20:04

So none of you know any lesbians who've done this? Oh.

HECTheHeraldAngelsSing · 28/12/2013 20:05

I think the bulk of the outrage is coming from the fact that they just decided they were having his sperm and when he dared to object, his family, including his parents, appear to have disowned him!

MrsKCastle · 28/12/2013 20:06

Motherinferior I don't think it's a freaky weird thing in any way if all parties want to do it and have had a lot of discussion about how it will work.

If the brother had offered, I would think it was lovely. The part that makes me outraged is where they automatically assumed he would do it and then treated him really badly when he felt unable to make what is a huge commitment at a very young age.

motherinferior · 28/12/2013 20:07

Oh, I get that. But there's also a lot of bosom-hoiking at the very idea. I'm just pointing out it isn't some bizarre new concept.

Thisisaghostlyeuphemism · 28/12/2013 20:07

The request is not freaky and weird. That's nice.

The demand and subsequent ostracization is freaky and weird.

HairyGrotter · 28/12/2013 20:08

Christ, what a position for such a young person to be put into! YANBU! His fucking body fluid, his fucking choice. Fancy being such and entitled demanding swine! Shock

Doingakatereddy · 28/12/2013 20:08

IMO It's bloody freaky wierd to assume that your brother will be the father of your child.

It's his down, his choice & frankly I don't blame him for saying no.

How dare they assume this right over him??? Makes my blood boil

Truebadoar · 28/12/2013 20:08

grimbletart lifestyle choice? Hmm

BerniceBroadside · 28/12/2013 20:08

It's not freaky weird, but it is entirely inappropriate to try an force someone to be a sperm donor.

I know couples where one woman carries the other woman's egg, but have not yet met one where the brother has donated.

Caitlin17 · 28/12/2013 20:08

Good lord. Your sister and her wife are insane. Please be as supportive as you can to this poor boy.

The ethical and legal aspects alone should put any sane person off.

As this is an informal ai he would be financially responsible.

Ethically , even if it was the wife who is impregnated he will still be the father of his sister's child, since presumably sister and her wife will treat the child as theirs. The yuk factor there is almost as bad as if it were incest in the legal sense.

waltermittymissus · 28/12/2013 20:09

I'm sorry but I think it IS freaky and weird to look at your own very young brother and decide he'll father your children!

motherinferior · 28/12/2013 20:10

I rest my case...

I do not think anyone should be coerced into donating gametes. I do think, and know, that sperm donation to lesbian sisters-in-law isn't that rare.

PrimalLass · 28/12/2013 20:12

grimbletart Sat 28-Dec-13 19:38:27
And another thing… your sister thinks it is OK to reject men as a lifestyle choice, but doesn't hesitate to try and manipulate one when she thinks he will come in useful. What a total brat.

What a way to slip a bit of homophobia under the radar.

However, your sister is behaving very badly, and your parents even more so.

Iwannalaylikethisforever · 28/12/2013 20:12

How weird! Just go to the bloody sperm donor!
An outrageous request.
Why should your brother suffer because his sister is gay and needs sperm!

Thisisaghostlyeuphemism · 28/12/2013 20:12

There is no yuk factor at the idea. It's a fine idea, if everyone wants it. He doesn't and that's his right.

Ah, now I see why you wrote what you did, mother I!

waltermittymissus · 28/12/2013 20:12

To clarify, mother, it's his age I have a problem with.

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