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to think that he is entitled to refuse this

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messclearer · 28/12/2013 19:18

I have name changed for this as it is very sensitive to me and my family and I’ll try to keep it as broef as possible.

My sister is gay and her and her wife (they have a civil partnership) have wanted to have a child for some time. I have a younger brother who is 19 and one months ago Dsis and DSil asked him whether he would donate sperm for artificial insemination. DSis has implicitly stated that this is what was going to happen was going to happen for the last few years without ever telling him and no-one in the family has ever challenged her (I accept that this is partly my fault). My brother initially told them that he would need to have a long think about it but last week told them that he did not to do it. Since then my sister and the family and some of our family friends have reacted very nastily towards him, my mum and dad uninvited him from Christmas dinner and my sister sent him some very nasty texts along with telling everyone that he is dead to her and that she has no brother etc.

I feel that it is his choice though and the reason he gives for not doing it (he would feel uncomfortable around a child he had biologically fathered but was not their parent) is a reasonable one regardless of whether you accept it or not. I saw him yesterday and he is shell shocked by the whole thing and the way that most people he has known since he was very young have turned on him. I feel terrible for him as he has suffered vitriol from most member of our family in the last week or so for making a legitimate choice. DH seems to think that the initial reaction is expected and although it is unpleasant at the moment, it was an inevitable consequence of this decision in an emotionally charged environment but that it will inevitably blow over. I feel horrendous about the whole thing for him as so many people have turned on him for making a choice that is acceptable in my opinion alongside the ridiculous assumption on the part of my sister that he was certain to agree to this request.

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CecilyP · 28/12/2013 20:13

So none of you know any lesbians who've done this? Oh.

No, we've obviously led very sheltered lives. But that's bye the bye. What is really freaky and weird is that they just took it for granted that this boy, still a teenager, would go along with their idea. I mean, it would have been nice of them to have asked. And now he has not conceded to their demand they are treating him absolutely abysmally. That makes them seem like very self-obsessed people who just cannot cope with not getting their own way.

iWantChampagneOnColaBudget · 28/12/2013 20:13

messclearer cant beleive how infuriated i am on your brothers behalf!!!

your sister stamping her feet because someone dares think of themselves in the situation makes me question if shes ready to be a mother

MrsDeVere · 28/12/2013 20:14

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motherinferior · 28/12/2013 20:16

Oh, I agree about the age and the coercion. I've also noted charming little mentions of 'normal couples' and so on...

MerylStrop · 28/12/2013 20:16

Happy to accept that it isn't uncommon, MI. Will consider myself educated. None of the gay parents that I know have that particular arrangement, though.

What will you do, OP? Can you talk to your parents?

NatashaBee · 28/12/2013 20:16

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friday16 · 28/12/2013 20:18

I've also noted charming little mentions of 'normal couples' and so on...

I think at the point at which you're attempting to coerce your teenage brother into becoming a sperm donor you pretty much forego any complaints about the use of "normal".

crazyafterall · 28/12/2013 20:20

The poor young man :(

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ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 28/12/2013 20:23

HINBU

How can anyone think it is fine for him to be a father to his sister's baby??

You need to support your brother, tell the rest of the family to stop being twats and tell your sister to give up with the entitlement she clearly has.

Noctilucent · 28/12/2013 20:23

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SaucyJack · 28/12/2013 20:23

Actually, to me it makes perfect sense genetically speaking for your sister to impregnate her wife using your brother's sperm. I don't find that weird at all.

But still. The poor boy needs a say it himself. He's not a prize bull. YANBU.

Caitlin17 · 28/12/2013 20:23

Actually I think there is a yuk factor. This boy will be the father of his sister's child regardless of who carries it.

However if I'm wrong in that there's presumably no reason why the OP's father can't oblige his daughter.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 28/12/2013 20:24

Poor DB
I can see why the women wanted his sperm tbh, given that a resulting child would have some genetic link t your DSis.
But he absolutely has the right to refuse. Fwiw, his reasons make perct sense. Donating sperm/ eggs ispervert complex issue on a personal level, and although understandably disappointed, the couple and wider family are behaving very badly towards your DB.

MrsSquirrel · 28/12/2013 20:25

I am a lesbian and when my partner and I were talking about starting a famil,y we asked her brother to donate. He seriously thought about it. In the end he said no because he wanted to be an uncle to our child, did not want the blurred boundaries of partly bio-dad, partly uncle. We made other arrangements regarding sperm donation.

The thing that is wrong about this situation is the family pressuring the poor lad to donate when he doesn't want to. Complete recipe for disaster! Stand by your brother OP.

perfectstorm · 28/12/2013 20:25

This is the best possible evidence that your sister and her wife are not fit to be parents.

I should add that my own DH has offered to donate sperm to gay friends before, and my cousin's sister is donating an egg as her sis has fertility issues, which is the same thing with reversed genders really (donated gamete to help out a sibling in need of such to conceive). I don't see any ick factor in the idea. The ick factor to me is the narcissistic entitlement mentality that allows anyone to think they have the right to dictate another person's fertility - and if this has been her idea for years, then she was keeping her nasty, beady little eye on a child's reproductive usefulness to her, and now he is barely adult is attacking him when he isn't comfy with it.

Apart from anything else, if she were even capable of considering anyone else's needs she would twig that a closely related donor this unhappy with the idea would be toxic for any putative child. Not only does she not give a damn about what her demands are doing to her brother, she doesn't care if they harm any resulting baby. Just appalling. All I can hope is they never manage to have a child because they are seemingly incapable of the necessary levels of insight, selflessness and basic human decency. Complex family patterns can work really well... when all participants are on board, sane, and decent. Doesn't sound like any aspects are present here.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 28/12/2013 20:26

ispervert ??
Sorry, that was meant to read: "is a very"

thenightsky · 28/12/2013 20:28

No means no. They should respect his decision.

Can you imagine the uproar if two gay men were trying to force a sister to give them a child!

GimmeDaBoobehz · 28/12/2013 20:33

Please tell me you have told them they are ridiculous and that you are completely supporting your brother 100%? Anything else would be hypocritical.

I can't believe someone would even ask their 19 year old brother this. If someone offered and they considered it that's a completely different ballgame but who would want their brother to be the father of their child anyway, it seems pretty odd to me.

Being the child's Dad and uncle at the same time could be really confusing for the child if it knew and if it didn't know, then it is being hidden the truth by the family and I can't imagine your family supporting your brother emotionally if he struggled with it, as they seem emotionally abusive at the very least here.

If I were him I'd cut my loses and be glad to not have them in my life. What a toxic family set up. I'm glad you and your brother have sense and at least that is something.

What an entitled woman your sister is.

Caitlin17 · 28/12/2013 20:35

OP, Did you suggest your father should step up to the mark, and if so what was the reaction?

TheGinLushMinion · 28/12/2013 20:37

What an absolutely awful situation in which to place him, shame on your family.

DoYouLikeMyBaubles · 28/12/2013 20:39

A thread on here has never made me feel as disgusted and sad. I am close to tears for your brother.

So they were planning on taking his sperm, with no discussion, that in itself is sinister. Absolutely terrifying and sinister.

He is a teenager. He should have his family supporting him. I'm just thinking what I would do - one of my brothers is 19. I'd tell them all to fuck off and allow him the right to his own body.

It takes a special person to be able to do this for a close family member or friend anyway, never mind to be forced into it.

:(

IneedAsockamnesty · 28/12/2013 20:39

They specifically wanted him as for genetic reasons (and they do look very alike also)

So genetics are very important to her but not expected to be for him.

Your entire family (who are approving of this) need to stop drinking

messclearer · 28/12/2013 20:44

I'd not even thought of asking our dad to do it to be honest, I just view is deserving of respect as a personal decision that regardless of what you choose to do in their decision.

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SarahAndFuckTheResolutions · 28/12/2013 20:44

He is not being unreasonable at all, but the rest of your family are being unbelievably awful.

Has your sister decided she wants him to inseminate her partner so your family will still have a claim on the baby if her relationship breaks down?

And you say she has had this planned for years but not told him before? Were the rest of your family aware of her plan all along?