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to think that he is entitled to refuse this

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messclearer · 28/12/2013 19:18

I have name changed for this as it is very sensitive to me and my family and I’ll try to keep it as broef as possible.

My sister is gay and her and her wife (they have a civil partnership) have wanted to have a child for some time. I have a younger brother who is 19 and one months ago Dsis and DSil asked him whether he would donate sperm for artificial insemination. DSis has implicitly stated that this is what was going to happen was going to happen for the last few years without ever telling him and no-one in the family has ever challenged her (I accept that this is partly my fault). My brother initially told them that he would need to have a long think about it but last week told them that he did not to do it. Since then my sister and the family and some of our family friends have reacted very nastily towards him, my mum and dad uninvited him from Christmas dinner and my sister sent him some very nasty texts along with telling everyone that he is dead to her and that she has no brother etc.

I feel that it is his choice though and the reason he gives for not doing it (he would feel uncomfortable around a child he had biologically fathered but was not their parent) is a reasonable one regardless of whether you accept it or not. I saw him yesterday and he is shell shocked by the whole thing and the way that most people he has known since he was very young have turned on him. I feel terrible for him as he has suffered vitriol from most member of our family in the last week or so for making a legitimate choice. DH seems to think that the initial reaction is expected and although it is unpleasant at the moment, it was an inevitable consequence of this decision in an emotionally charged environment but that it will inevitably blow over. I feel horrendous about the whole thing for him as so many people have turned on him for making a choice that is acceptable in my opinion alongside the ridiculous assumption on the part of my sister that he was certain to agree to this request.

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gamerchick · 28/12/2013 20:45

Your family sound like bellends. I feel really really sorry for your brother.

I like your dad donating idea. If it's not such a big deal he should leap at the chance.

SarahAndFuckTheResolutions · 28/12/2013 20:48

Nobody should be forced into parenthood, no matter who will be raising the baby after it is born.

He has every right to say no and to consider the future. Even he if is never asked to be a father to the baby in any way other than donating his sperm (which he wouldn't be, the way the family are treating him you might as well call it a robbery), at some point in the future that child will have it's own ideas about what sort of relationship he or she wants with their father.

JRmumma · 28/12/2013 20:50

The idea is more than a bit weird if you ask me and i would personally be horrified at the thought of someone fathering a siblings child, biological or otherwise. Imagine explaining the parentage to the child when they are older.

Caitlin17 · 28/12/2013 20:50

OP of course it's your brother's decision and all he need say is no. No explanation or justification needed. I'd just be interested to know if the rest of the family think it's no big deal, if one of them who is in favour is willing to help out. The baby would still have some of the family genes.

mayorquimby · 28/12/2013 20:51

There's not a fucking chance I'd ever do that

Your brother shouldn't be put in that position in the first place let alone be taken to task for not agreeing

jay55 · 28/12/2013 20:52

Given your family reaction I'm glad he said no.

MrsDeVere · 28/12/2013 20:55

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RenterNomad · 28/12/2013 20:57

So, is Sis the family "golden child"? I gather your parents supported her fully when she came out, and that is very good, but parents are responsible at times for mediating between their children, not unequivocally backing one, to the detriment of the others' emotional needs!

Valdeeves · 28/12/2013 21:01

Please support your brother and make sure he continues to say no. This is a terrible idea and very selfish on their part. I cannot believe your parents.

olibeansmummy · 28/12/2013 21:02

Wow this is shocking!

Please support your db op! I'm very worried that he'll give in and donated and once the deed is done there is no going back!

He does also need to consider the fact that if they spilt the sil may go after him for child support and when the child is older they WILL want to know who their father is as it will be obvious it's not either of her parents.

I agree that you should suggest that your dad does it just for the reaction.

Valdeeves · 28/12/2013 21:02

You need to step in with your parents and remind them that it is his body, his choice - and his child.
They will have to find the money for a doner.

messclearer · 28/12/2013 21:03

MrsDeVere- Thats a good possible explanation which I hadn't thought of. I'm not sure what to do because I defend and support my brother to the hilt and havve done to other mebers of the family much to their disdain but I'm somewhat taken aback by the scale of the reaction towards him. He's coming to stay with me for a week tomorrow and other buy a turkey crown so I can try and salvage some sort of Christmas (which I know is very superficial considering the circumstances) I'm not sure what to suggest to him.

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perlona · 28/12/2013 21:04

Your poor brother, your family sound vile, it must be horrible for him to realise that. I hope you have the balls to stand up for him and tell them how horrible they're being. If my family behaved like that to my brother they'd have a lot of grovelling to him before I'd ever think of having anything to do with them again.

Every male who has a problem with his decision should offer their sperm, every female should insist on her husband/partner donating but of course perhaps they are reacting so viciously because they're afraid of being asked next.

However this turns out, I hope your brother turns his back and never wastes another second on these toxic, entitled, narcissistic dicks.

Direct them to this thread if you want them to see how utterly insane they are being although they are probably too deranged and self absorbed to listen.

Hegsy · 28/12/2013 21:04

Jeezo your poor DB Sad

messclearer · 28/12/2013 21:06

RenterNomad- DSis is very much the golden child of the family

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DoYouLikeMyBaubles · 28/12/2013 21:06

OP I am so so glad he's got you. That's nice of you to do that for him. I just keep thinking about my brothers. They're still so young at 19!

friday16 · 28/12/2013 21:07

He does also need to consider the fact that if they spilt the sil may go after him for child support

What's the current legal position if there's a civil partnership involved? I think I'm right in saying that if a married couple have a child, irrespective of where the sperm comes from, then the only people who might be liable for child support are the couple themselves. ie, I don't think a woman can pursue her lover for child support if her husband leaves her, even if there's incontrovertible evidence that the lover is the father. But I'm not sure.

friday16 · 28/12/2013 21:07

Just because you're lesbians don't mean you can't also be cunts.

Idespair · 28/12/2013 21:09

Poor bloke!
Agree suggest to your sister that she asks your dad if he is so keen for his son to do it.
Your sister and parents sound terrifying.

Minnieisthechristmasmouse · 28/12/2013 21:10

Eeeeew!!!! Grim rank and nasty. Poor lad.

Private will cost approx 3k. Tell em to start saving. This plan was nuts in more ways than one.

Private is fine. Friend used. Happy to share what I can if helps.

Annonynon · 28/12/2013 21:10

Oh god what a bunch of absolute twats, I feel so awful for your brother excluding him from christmas at nineteen because he doesn't want to father a child for someone else Sad

I would support your brother all the way and have nothing else to do with the rest of the selfish morons, if this is the kind of behaviour they're capable of your brother and you are better off without them

FryOneFatChristmasGoose · 28/12/2013 21:11

Friday so far as I know, the bio father can be chased for maintenance regardless, and I think the only exception is for anonymous donors supplied via registered clinics.

FuckyNell · 28/12/2013 21:16

Take your brother and run far far away

trixymalixy · 28/12/2013 21:16

Jesus Christ. Ostracising your poor brother because he doesn't want to be a sperm donor is really not on. Of course he is perfectly within his rights to refuse. I'm really quite shocked so many of your family have turned against him. It is not a decision to be taken lightly!

lilyaldrin · 28/12/2013 21:18

I don't think the idea is nasty or icky in any way - I would be happy to donate an egg for my sister if she needed it for example and think it's an amazing gift.

However, it should be a gift and not an obligation - your family are treating her brother appallingly.

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