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to think that he is entitled to refuse this

265 replies

messclearer · 28/12/2013 19:18

I have name changed for this as it is very sensitive to me and my family and I’ll try to keep it as broef as possible.

My sister is gay and her and her wife (they have a civil partnership) have wanted to have a child for some time. I have a younger brother who is 19 and one months ago Dsis and DSil asked him whether he would donate sperm for artificial insemination. DSis has implicitly stated that this is what was going to happen was going to happen for the last few years without ever telling him and no-one in the family has ever challenged her (I accept that this is partly my fault). My brother initially told them that he would need to have a long think about it but last week told them that he did not to do it. Since then my sister and the family and some of our family friends have reacted very nastily towards him, my mum and dad uninvited him from Christmas dinner and my sister sent him some very nasty texts along with telling everyone that he is dead to her and that she has no brother etc.

I feel that it is his choice though and the reason he gives for not doing it (he would feel uncomfortable around a child he had biologically fathered but was not their parent) is a reasonable one regardless of whether you accept it or not. I saw him yesterday and he is shell shocked by the whole thing and the way that most people he has known since he was very young have turned on him. I feel terrible for him as he has suffered vitriol from most member of our family in the last week or so for making a legitimate choice. DH seems to think that the initial reaction is expected and although it is unpleasant at the moment, it was an inevitable consequence of this decision in an emotionally charged environment but that it will inevitably blow over. I feel horrendous about the whole thing for him as so many people have turned on him for making a choice that is acceptable in my opinion alongside the ridiculous assumption on the part of my sister that he was certain to agree to this request.

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motherinferior · 29/12/2013 19:51

Come on: nobody, absolutely nobody on this thread, is defending them and that is not what Dancing's post is about.

BoneyBackJefferson · 29/12/2013 19:51

Where does your DB live?

I ask because as he was uninvited to Christmas dinner and he lives at home, where was he during that time?

Or has he already moved out as he has realised what a bunch of fuckwits his family are?

motherinferior · 29/12/2013 19:52

But I do repeat: I am also deeply uncomfortable with the idea of 'fit' or 'unfit' parents; I know which side of the divide I fall on, and it's not the pretty one.

PeriodFeatures · 29/12/2013 19:56

Nothing in the OP makes me feel confident that this couple are ready to put anyone's needs before their own

They are behaving, at best, oppressively towards a 19 year old lad, as are the extended family. The message that strongly comes across in the op is that this young man has less rights than his dsis or a hypothetical unborn child. That isnt a good basis for parenting.

QODRestYeMerryGentlemen · 29/12/2013 20:02

Absolutely friggin out of order to be like that with him, totally his choice and he is NOT being unreasonable

And that's coming from someone who who has a surrogate child - a friend offered to be impregnated by my dh - it is absolutely fucking not something you ASK someone to do with ANY expectation or right. Oh your poor bro

RenterNomad · 29/12/2013 20:09

Another worrying matter is that 19 year olds are vulnerable in this time of tuition fees, student loans and high youth unemployment, in a way that 19 year old baby boomers probably weren't. I do hope his parents won't cut him off for this... OP, it may be time for you and DH to beat your sister to having a fully-grown DS! Confused

Pimpf · 29/12/2013 20:12

Your poor db, shocking behaviour on the part of your family.

LadyIsabellasHollyWreath · 29/12/2013 20:34

I think this is a reasonable enough suggestion in the right family dynamic - but this is the opposite of the right dynamic. I can't imagine this ever being reasonable with a teenage father, even leaving aside the family's appalling reaction to his refusal.

nauticant · 29/12/2013 21:39

Sock, that doesn't apply to couples in civil partnerships since 2009, if the child was conceived within that civil partnership, consensually and without sexual intercourse being involved on the part of the donor, then the donor has no rights or obligations.

That's cool but it does seem that built into the 2008 Act is the assumption that what happens from conception to delivery will have the consent of all parties. I'm not convinced it was written having in mind a situation in which there's a huge bust-up before the child is born, there are all kinds of allegations of lack of consent, and a 19 year old brother is in the centre of it. Are the two prospective parents (who at the moment are saying they'll be parents) going to pay lawyers to guarantee that the brother is completely off the hook?

(Well, obviously not since they're looking at him simply as a ballsack having Appellation d'origine contrôlée sperm.)

But that aside it's utterly mental and I hope the OP can provide whatever help to her brother to be in control of his own fertility.

PicaK · 29/12/2013 21:47

I am astounded at how they've gone about this. He is absolutely 100% in the right. They're treating his sperm as some kind of disposable commodity. I'm actually shocked. Please support him and stand up for him.

frogspoon · 29/12/2013 23:32

YANBU

Your family's behaviour is unacceptable.

Whilst there is nothing wrong with asking him, and I can see the rational in sharing a genetic background with your Dsis, it is his decision. He said no, it's his sperm.

I don't think the fact that your Dsis is gay is even relevant to be honest.

If it was a hypothetical older DB who was infertile and wanted his brother's sperm to artificially inseminate his wife/ partner, the situation would be no different.

ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 30/12/2013 09:57

motherinferior yes you're right, none of us would be judged perfect.

I think though MrsDeVere makes very valid points throughout this thread, in particular

Nothing in the OP makes me feel confident that this couple are ready to put anyone's needs before their own

And I'm guessing that this attitude/their previous behaviour in general may have had a strong bearing on OP's DB's decision: his main point was that he would be uncomfortable being around a child he'd biologically fathered, but was not the parent. I can quite see it would be difficult in this instance. Very emotionally mature of him to realise the associated difficulties.

TiggyD · 30/12/2013 10:22

He is entitled to not become a father if he doesn't want to.

He's only 19 and it's a very big step. Glad to hear he's taking it seriously.

vegimalfarm · 30/12/2013 10:37

We followed the formal route for donor sperm which is extremely well thought-out and designed in consideration of the experiences of donor-conceived children. It seems the best way to me, by quite some distance.

Quangle · 30/12/2013 10:37

Bloody hell. That's appalling. He's only 19 as well - bordering on child abuse IMO. Imagine if someone insisted that their 19 yo sister bear a child for themShock. Poor lad.

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