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To have discplined my SILs children as she was doing nothing...??

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Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 13:11

Two days ago, DH, me, our three DCs (9, 11, 13), granny, SIL and her two DCs went out for a meal in the evening (early about 7.00pm) for one of granny's landmark birthdays. We went to a chain pub, which later on turns into a club with bouncers on the door, no children after 9pm etc. It is in a town well known for stag/hen nights, however this time of year it is mostly Christmas parties.

It was very very busy, behind our table there were two long tables of about twenty people each, which looked like work do's. The bar was also very busy - there were steps leading down to the restaurant bit from the bar.

Our food arrived quite quickly. When we had finished our meal, we were waiting for the staff to bring plates for the birthday cake. My SILs older DC started running around and around the table very fast (aged 5yrs). SIL sat there doing nothing. Then the her younger DC started doing it also (aged 3yrs), whilst they were running the 3 year old ran into the legs of a fully laden waitress who nearly dropped all her plates. SIL still just sat there. They were running within close proximity of the people sitting on the end of the work do tables.

SIL was completely oblivious to it all, so I grabbed the 3yr old on his next run around, and plonked him down on a chair beside me, and said in quite a firm voice "sit down now, those people are having their dinner and Granny is about to have her cake". He immediately burst into tears, SIL glared at me, grabbed him on her lap. The 5 year old continued to run around the table, and then ran up the steps on her own into the bar area, my DH went to get her back, when she arrived back he put her onto her chair, she immediatley slid off under the table and started the running around thing again.

They have behaved like this before, I often make excuses for not going out when they are going to be there, as the children's behaviour, or rather the mother's complete oblivion to their behaviour actually winds me up. In the past she also literally just sits there whilst her children run around other people's tables, talk to strangers eating, ask if they can try some of their food (I kid you not!) and generally act as if they are in a playground. SIL has said in the past she thinks it cheers people up to see her kids smiley faces, and they are so freespirited and cute nobody could get annoyed with them..... Hence why I usually make my excuses, but as it was granny's landmark birthday couldn't get out of it.

Anyway, the saga continues - we all take it in turns to do Christmas dinner, this year is SILs turn to do it at her house. Today DH has received a telephone call to say that we are no longer invited for christmas day, as SIL is upset that I took it upon myself discipline her child, and it will ruin their Christmas if I do so again.

I am of the opinion that I am quite pleased not to have to go around there, and am happy to break away from the big family Christmas and start having Christmases at home with just our family, but Granny has now rung up very upset, and asked DH if I can apologise and make an excuse, i.e. say I was stressed at work or something.

I am not happy to do this, as I am not sorry. AIBU to not aplogise even though it will probably upset MIL?

OP posts:
iwantanafternoonnap · 19/12/2012 13:22

This thread has been brilliant. OP I admire your restraint and your DH what a guy. Hope you enjoy your christmas with your robots Grin

takataka · 19/12/2012 13:22

Ignore me, I am ill and grumpy

My kids have little interest in presents beyond the initial excitement and opening the first couple. They are more interested in the social side; who is coming/who are we seeing/what are we doing/and all the pomp around the dinner. They would be most hurt and upset by unexpected/last minute absence of granny, aunty, uncle, cousins. That's how we roll. But obviously people are free to put what ever emphasis they like on the presents

The reason for me posting was because some people were saying SiL is bound to phone about the presents/ maybe she's having a stand-off about the presents. My point is...maybe not, maybe the presents are not important to her

EggNogRules · 19/12/2012 13:24

Feel better Taka

SpecialAgentKat · 19/12/2012 13:31

Ugh Taka, poor thing! Worst time of year to be ill! Sends virtual childcare, ice-cream and hugs

I actually totally agree with you about the excitement of Christmas. I'm attempting to raise DTS like your DC..... Luvkily for me they're like that now naturally because they're so little! Grin

Emphasis on pressies was only because it's been a yearly tradition thus far and now DC are old enough to develop hurt feelings about Auntie.

Feel better soon xx

Jacksmania · 19/12/2012 16:16

Another one sending healing vibes to takataka.
I am trying to fight off DS's cold, which he actually never fully got, thanks to copious amounts of vitamin C, but which as kindly taken hold of me instead Xmas Angry.

I am hoping Shiny will have a wonderful peaceful Christmas without the bloody cow SIL trying to wreck it, but - shamefully Xmas Blush - I'm also hoping for a further update preferably one that reiterates "fuck off you silly cow", go Mr. Shiny!! because this is gripping me much more than the book I'm trying to slog through Xmas Grin.

DoesntTurkeyNSproutSoupDragOn · 19/12/2012 16:36

I have just skim read this... good on your DH for telling her to fuck off and good on you for being unfailingly polite when rebuffing her :o

TBH, I would have texted fuck off bitch back right at the start!

As an aside, I have 1 calm child and 2 spirited ones. I still expect them to behave in public.

takataka · 19/12/2012 18:03

thanks eggs special and jacks for the well-wishes, and particularly for the virtual child-care Thanks

exoticfruits · 19/12/2012 19:25

At his point I would ask for the thread to be deleted tbh.

Please don't! I am awaiting the next instalment!

exoticfruits · 19/12/2012 19:25

As it is the thread might be full before we get to the end.

SauvignonBlanche · 19/12/2012 19:29

I agree, dying to hear more! Xmas Grin

Strawhatpirate · 19/12/2012 19:41

Well this thread has made amazing bf reading.

All hail Shiny's DH! Robot overlord of mumsnet!

Jacksmania · 19/12/2012 20:24

Who the heck wants this thread deleted???[fConfused

Please don't! It should be in Classics IMO. It's right up there with whoever found her lovely shiny stainless stell balls thanks to MN! Xmas Grin

Jacksmania · 19/12/2012 20:25

stell = steel

Xmas Blush
HeadfirstForAMistletoeKiss · 19/12/2012 21:13

Well done Shiny's dh. If there was ever a Fuck Off that needed to be given it was that one Xmas Smile

SugaricePlumFairy · 19/12/2012 21:23

What, still no white smoke from SiL?

Odd.

Stay strong Mr and Mrs Shiny Xmas Grin

ShipwreckedUnderTheTree · 20/12/2012 16:40

Any update??

FobblyWoof · 20/12/2012 16:57

I replayed to this thread all the way back on page one and I've only just checked back and wow. Just wow.

The robot text Xmas Angry

The fuck off from DH Xmas Grin

If your SIL mentions it perhaps he can just say he was being "spirited" and showing "personality" and "wasn't it cute?"

I feel so sorry for your DN's. With parenting like that they're going to turn out awful. Strangers might tolerate their behaviour now they're children, but when they're adults? I don't think so.

angeltattoo · 20/12/2012 18:55

OP you have acted impeccably you are a better person than me

I have to say though, if my brother told me to fuck off, that we would probably not talk for a while, but when the dust settled, we would have a conversation, each explain to the other our point of view and probably agree to disagree, then move on. Because we're family, and I love him. I'd accept it from him, more so than anyone else to be honest (but then we have a great relationship)

Therefore a massive family rift, as predicted by some, is by no means a foregone conclusion.

SIL is obviously used to being pandered to, let her lick her wounds for a bit. OP not going on CD and not inviting her on BD has hopefully given her a much needed kick up the butt. She is too old to be throwing insults like that and expect no repercussions, and it would seem by her silence she has been burned. People like that do need to be told to wind their necks in, I have two cousins who don't sound unlike letty and her sister. My aunt still panders to the horrible one, who is nearing 40! Said cousin was moaning about me to my SIL a few weeks and my amazing SIL, after trying to have a reasonble conversation with her, in the end turned round and said 'Actually, cousin's name, I don't give a fuck' . And rightly so, as she was being offensive about me.

Potentially in the new year, all will be well, and relationships can continue on an even keel and SIL will have egg on her face

Merry christmas Xmas Grin

Shinyballsandtinsel · 20/12/2012 19:11

No update, although MIL has phoned DH at work, and told him SIL was very upset yesterday as she was called by a parent and asked to remove her oldest DC from a school friend"s birthday party as her DC had hit four children as she wanted what they were playing with. MIL said to DH "this is all she needs, after the upset with you and shiny"!

WTF?!?' Still enabling her "spirited" daughter, dunno if MIL was trying to guilt trip DH but he didn't fal for it.

Still nothing from SIL, her DH is home Saturday so he might get involved then, although he has made it known in the past we are a bit "square" so I doubt he'll be bothered!

Yes, that's right, we are the "square" family with robots for children! Makes us sound like we live life in the fast lane.....!

OP posts:
kerala · 20/12/2012 19:14

Interesting that she doesnt see the connection between you "disciplining" her DC and said DC's behaviour being deemed unacceptable outside the family...

ChristmasIsForPlutocrats · 20/12/2012 19:18

I wonder whether the hosts of the party were MNers...

SauvignonBlanche · 20/12/2012 19:20

I hope they didn't tell him off, SIL wouldn't lie that!

helenthemadex · 20/12/2012 19:21

Yes, that's right, we are the "square" family with robots for children! Makes us sound like we live life in the fast lane.....!

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MickeyTheShortOne · 20/12/2012 19:23

Oh wow Shiny, what did DH say?!?

No wonder the children are badly behaved, if thats what SIL is like...

MickeyTheShortOne · 20/12/2012 19:24

Lmao Helen!!!