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To have discplined my SILs children as she was doing nothing...??

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Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 13:11

Two days ago, DH, me, our three DCs (9, 11, 13), granny, SIL and her two DCs went out for a meal in the evening (early about 7.00pm) for one of granny's landmark birthdays. We went to a chain pub, which later on turns into a club with bouncers on the door, no children after 9pm etc. It is in a town well known for stag/hen nights, however this time of year it is mostly Christmas parties.

It was very very busy, behind our table there were two long tables of about twenty people each, which looked like work do's. The bar was also very busy - there were steps leading down to the restaurant bit from the bar.

Our food arrived quite quickly. When we had finished our meal, we were waiting for the staff to bring plates for the birthday cake. My SILs older DC started running around and around the table very fast (aged 5yrs). SIL sat there doing nothing. Then the her younger DC started doing it also (aged 3yrs), whilst they were running the 3 year old ran into the legs of a fully laden waitress who nearly dropped all her plates. SIL still just sat there. They were running within close proximity of the people sitting on the end of the work do tables.

SIL was completely oblivious to it all, so I grabbed the 3yr old on his next run around, and plonked him down on a chair beside me, and said in quite a firm voice "sit down now, those people are having their dinner and Granny is about to have her cake". He immediately burst into tears, SIL glared at me, grabbed him on her lap. The 5 year old continued to run around the table, and then ran up the steps on her own into the bar area, my DH went to get her back, when she arrived back he put her onto her chair, she immediatley slid off under the table and started the running around thing again.

They have behaved like this before, I often make excuses for not going out when they are going to be there, as the children's behaviour, or rather the mother's complete oblivion to their behaviour actually winds me up. In the past she also literally just sits there whilst her children run around other people's tables, talk to strangers eating, ask if they can try some of their food (I kid you not!) and generally act as if they are in a playground. SIL has said in the past she thinks it cheers people up to see her kids smiley faces, and they are so freespirited and cute nobody could get annoyed with them..... Hence why I usually make my excuses, but as it was granny's landmark birthday couldn't get out of it.

Anyway, the saga continues - we all take it in turns to do Christmas dinner, this year is SILs turn to do it at her house. Today DH has received a telephone call to say that we are no longer invited for christmas day, as SIL is upset that I took it upon myself discipline her child, and it will ruin their Christmas if I do so again.

I am of the opinion that I am quite pleased not to have to go around there, and am happy to break away from the big family Christmas and start having Christmases at home with just our family, but Granny has now rung up very upset, and asked DH if I can apologise and make an excuse, i.e. say I was stressed at work or something.

I am not happy to do this, as I am not sorry. AIBU to not aplogise even though it will probably upset MIL?

OP posts:
SpecialAgentKat · 18/12/2012 06:05

Who else is filled with a happy fuzzy feeling?

SugaricePlumFairy · 18/12/2012 06:36

I was surprised sil hadn't engineered a mil telephone intervention last night but she is clearly finetuning a cunning plan to catch you off guard and reinforce her position as top dog.

I wonder what today shall bring? Xmas Grin.

CabbageLeaves · 18/12/2012 07:24

This is all about oneupmanship within the family. She wants to be the matriarch and call the shots. Woe betide if ever MiL were to come to you on Christmas Day!!!! Which no doubt SiL thinks is her right

Silly woman upsetting a whole family because she needs to be top. I feel sorry for your DH and hope his mum does at some point stand up for him

I am certain you and your DH will have a lovely Christmas. I shall think of you on Christmas morning. It should be about being ones you love and staying at home is lovely.

exoticfruits · 18/12/2012 08:01

I don't think that we ave heard the end if this yet! (Unfortunately for OP- but at least you have DH on side)

catkind · 18/12/2012 09:27

You couldn't make this stuff up!

lunar1 · 18/12/2012 09:32

My son would love to meet your children op, he loves robots! I think your dh needs to run classes, judging by most family related mn posts you would be rich in no time if we could all send the men in our lives for lessons In sticking up for their wife/children!

BlueberryHill · 18/12/2012 09:41

Awesome, only a brother can deliver that line and not worry about it.

I know this awful, but I hope SIL comes back for another round, this thread is great. A classic.

For Shiney and her family have a great Christmas, break open the champagne you both deserve it.

MaryChalloner · 18/12/2012 10:28

well fwiw, I agree with Blu all the way upthread. You should have apologised, not for what you did, but for upsetting sil. and in order to avoid causing the very situation that has now arisen.

now, partly due to your not doing that, it's all escalated into a huge family rift, which ime just isn't worth it. You may have avoided giving an "empty apology", but really is it worth all this? Is it worth upsetting MIL? and for all her texts to you, you're being pretty passive aggressive back imo. It seems to me as though you're very happy for an excuse to cut ties with SIL, which if you are, is fine.

(but what do i know, I do anything to avoid confrontation in my family?)

and also, is there a BIL who can also take some responsibility for his dcs behaviour? it's very easy to blame the SIL.

SugaricePlumFairy · 18/12/2012 10:37

Mary have you read the entire thread?

All of the micro aggression has come from SiL and to a degree MiL for interfering by stating Shiny was stressed when she wasn't.

SiL cancelling the CD invite then getting huffy when Shiny didn't take the bait then name calling Shiny's dc is why there is a Christmas stand -off.

SiL needs to take the cork out of her arse and stop thinking the world revolves around her and her dc's.

BluelightsAndSirens · 18/12/2012 10:44

Mary are you the SIL?

You should have apologised, not for what you did, but for upsetting sil only after SIL has apologised to her family for being a lazy parent who lets her DC run around in a resturant.

You may have avoided giving an "empty apology", but really is it worth all this? op now gets to spend CD at home, MIL gets to spend quality time with her older GC on BD as opposed to an empty apology and a terse CD with the children being brats all day because Christmas is for children? Bollocks to that!

and also, is there a BIL who can also take some responsibility for his dcs behaviour? it's very easy to blame the SIL. of course he does and from what I have read he sounds like a male SIL in regards to dealing with their DC but he wasn't at the meal when this all happened.

I doubt op is never going to see her SIL again, unless the SIL carries it on.

I think the odd fuck off you silly cow will do the SIL the world of good Grin

BluelightsAndSirens · 18/12/2012 10:45

bold fail, good luck trying to make sense of that last post Grin

WhereYouLeftIt · 18/12/2012 11:08

"but what do i know, I do anything to avoid confrontation in my family?"
Evidently. To apologise to SIL in these circumstances is to pander to a tantrumming toddler (albeit one who is 46 and therefore old enough to know better).

MrsFlibble · 18/12/2012 11:33

Mary SIL escalated this problem herself, from her lazy parenting to tantrum, and then insulting her own Niece/Nephews and stamping her feet, when for once shes actually been told that the world doesnt revolve around her.

We wouldnt let kids at like that, why would OP and DH allow SIL to continue acting like that. (Unless we believe in letting "Free spirits" roam, Bullshit).

MaryChalloner · 18/12/2012 11:56

yes I did read the thread. and I never said that the SIL was reasonable, or that her behaviour hasn't been 10 times worse, or that her children weren't monsters. But I just think life's too short to fall out over something like this. It really is, and if the OP had been the bigger person, it would all be over now.

but as I say I am absolutely anti-confrontational, and apologised in a similar situation to this to my BIL last year, when my sister asked me to, and I didn't mean it! but it meant that the family was together for christmas and a family rift was avoided. I still think my BIL is a cock, but I didn't upset my sister.

takataka · 18/12/2012 12:01

I see what mary is saying....

I would feel horrifically sad if I became estranged from my SiL and BiL and nieces and nephews in this way...

I agree SiL was inn the wrong, but I dont get all the glee in telling her where to go and having a family rift Confused

MrsFlibble · 18/12/2012 12:04

Because when someone acts like an overgrown arsehole, they need telling, especially after insulting kids twice.

Also, i dont recall OP actually been horrible to SIL, OP was trying to be tactful, it was the DH that told his sister were to go.

takataka · 18/12/2012 12:05

yep mary i barely tolerate my idiot BiL, but for the sake of relations with my sister and their children I do

not to say we havent had/dont have arguements..

im sure he feels the same about me...meh

ChaoticforlifenotjustChristmas · 18/12/2012 12:07

The only one causing a rift is the spoilt brat of a SIL, firstly by her complete and utter failure to parent then by escalating it by uninviting the OP on CD and making nasty comments about the OP's children.

People like the SIL get away with it because people pander to them, in fact I'd say the MIL has to take some of the blame because she's obviously spoilt and pandered to SIL all her life.

Oh, and if MIL tries to suggest that SIL is invited on BD tell her that your father isn't up to having children like SIL's around. As your MIL agrees with you on the children's behaviour you'll still look reasonable.

MrsFlibble · 18/12/2012 12:08

Mary and Taka SIL didnt give a rats arse about upsetting OP so in the interests of family relations, shouldnt SIL apologise and not make excuses.

takataka · 18/12/2012 12:19

christ....if I cut every unreasonable person out of my life, there would be no one left, but perfect me Grin

MaryChalloner · 18/12/2012 12:27

yes of course in an ideal world the SIL should apologise. But she's not going to - I don't disagree that she sounds quite bonkers and completely unreasonable. The OP had a choice and could have been the person to end all of this.

Doesn't mean it's right, but isn't it just something you do to maintain cordial relations in families and avoid such dramas? anyway, too late now.

and no need to get angry with me! I just think now the situation has escalated and unless the OP wanted to achieve a situation where the SIL and BIL will never talk to her again, where family get togethers will be impossible, or filled with resentment and silence and backstabbing, where the cousins won't see each other, then she should have just thought of some suitable wording that was sort of an apology for SIL (e.g. I'm sorry I upset you....).

OhYouMerryLittleKitten · 18/12/2012 12:37

My take on it is to enjoy the relaxed Chirstmas now then in the New Year work on rebuilding a good relationship.

I expect that if there weren't kids mixed into the equation there would still be a reasonable relationship. Rebuilding it means not doing it on the same terms as before but working out what is going to really work for all of you.

BluelightsAndSirens · 18/12/2012 12:42

But why should the op have to be the one to think of some suitable wording that was sort of an apology to SIL?

SIL told them they were un Invited to CD, op didn't cause a fuss, she accepted it and left her DH to deal with it.

Maybe next time SIL thinks of throwing a strop and banning people she will remember that she had to eat her own words at Christmas.

Sounds like its been a long time coming imo

nickelbabylyinginamanger · 18/12/2012 12:43

well done to your DH.
i'm so glad he didn't just get steam rolled on this.
Xmas Grin

ChaoticforlifenotjustChristmas · 18/12/2012 12:44

I suspect that the OP's DC won't be too sad about not seeing their badly behaved cousins especially if it means their belongings don't get destroyed and they get to spend some time with granny.