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How would you feel if your 24 year old daughter was in a relationship with a...

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ThatAwfulWoman · 02/10/2012 16:06

... man 25 years older?

Would it worry you or would his age not make a difference to you?

OP posts:
FairPhyllis · 03/10/2012 03:08

What do you want out of the relationship, OP? Do you see it being a long term thing? Is that what he wants? Because if it is I think there is huge potential for a lot of pain and anguish within their family. There really isn't much difference between you and the oldest child - you are the same generation. I would be incredibly upset if I were the 20 year old. I think you would find it very difficult to negotiate a relationship with his children.

I would want to know what his relationship history is - why isn't he still with their mother? Does he have a pattern of dating 20 something women? Why hasn't he formed relationships with women closer in age and life experience to him? It's possible that he just hasn't met anybody - but it's an unusual enough situation that I'd want to dig a bit.

I also think there's a lot of potential for this relationship to be exploitative or have a massive imbalance of power. And that's even without all the other considerations - you say you don't want children, but it's not uncommon for that to change. Would you want to have children with someone so much older? How is this affecting your life now? If you spent your 20s and 30s missing out on having fun to be with him, would you regret that? Men can also get a lot more conservative as they get older and the age gap can get more apparent. Would you be ready for that?

And - final question - how did you meet? He's not a partner in your firm, is he?

MordionAgenos · 03/10/2012 03:44

My mum was about 25 years younger than my dad.

She died first - cancer. She didn't see past her mid 50s, he survived her by 10 years. Hale and hearty until a week before he died.

Don't assume it's always the younger one who will have to do the caring and then be left. It doesn't always work that way.

StillSquiffy · 03/10/2012 04:12

Having spent 25 years working in the city and with big4/magic circle partners & teams, I've seen this scenario hundreds of times. Professional bloke marries first in 20's and has family. Then wife stops working, turns all mumsy and stops being the person she was before. Bloke then meets junior colleague he clicks with (usually, not always, before leaving miserable wife). She is suddenly all the things his wife used to be. And the new adoration will continue until of course she has kids (and starts changing too). cycle repeats ad infinitum. It is now so common that most of the big partnership model firms have a very big bottleneck at the top - whereas partners rolled off into retirement in their mid50s before, now they are carrying on because they still have young second families (I've seen instances of third families too) to support. This is why equity partner entry salaries are bring pushed down and why now so difficult to break barrier compared to 20 years ago. take a look at the 60+ partners in your own firm, OP, you'll see that many of them have second families and large age gaps with their wives. They are still there in their 60s because they need the money. You will also see quite a few who are divorced from second wives but still have young families. Ask any senior partner you trust about all of this - it's rife in every partnership group.

You see him as an intellectual equal. He will only treat you as the same whilst you stay the same free, young person that you are. That's not the equal partnership you think it is. You asked how people feel about these relationships? Well, given the exact situation you describe, and the 25 years I've spent (laterally at the top level) in my career, I'd say that usually I really struggle to see who is the bigger fool.

By the way, in general I don't have a problem with age gaps. It's just these 'professional' serial guys that get on my goat. And its nothing to do with age, but everything to do with their attitudevtoward women. They are in charge of large firms and responsible for the career development of many of our daughters, yet they think it's fine to live these selfish lives where their wives are pretty appendages to be discarded when the relationships get tough, or when they 'no longer feel appreciated' (diddums) or when 'their wives lose interest in them as individuals (wonder why). It just doesn't bode well with the kind of respect that I want for my own children - if women are seen as equal only when their lives are uncluttered (ie when they can in effect act like men), there is little hope of normal women(with kids and responsibilities) making it to the top in these orgs. Which I am sure lies totally at odds to how you think he views women.

I have seen a couple of personal friends (both magic circle lawyers) waste years and years on men like this before being discarded for a younger model, which does make me bitter and twisted, I know (and I have also seen guys like this mercilessly exploited occasionally by pretty young things). What upset my friends most was that they never had kids themselves (because their partners didn't want all the nappies again), but they still lost out to younger models in the end and were left, in their 40's, up shit creek, with little other than their careers, and no chance of kids. Hopefully your relationship will be the exception. if I were you I'd be checking out the 20 year old's reaction to you very carefully - they will have sussed out their dad's form by now, they'd be very useful to talk to.

One thing I can guarantee though, OP, is that he'll still be skiing 4 times a year in his 60's ( just probably not with you).

CurlyKiwiControl · 03/10/2012 04:33

I'm 25 partner 37.

Never encountered any negativity at all, from anyone... Including his sons aged 14 and 17.

We are very happy, have a 4 year old dd and 10 month old ds.

So yeah, age gaps not a problem... But it does depend on couple.

If you're happy good luck to you :)

ettiketti · 03/10/2012 05:57

I was in a relationship with this age gap from 21-24. Didn't work out, we split when dc was

JustSpiro · 03/10/2012 07:08

If you've got plenty in common and can have a good conversation that's at least as if not more important than the age gap imo.

Having a partner of a similar age is no guarantee of compatibility or a great sex life anyway.

Malificence · 03/10/2012 07:56

I'd be horrified and try my best to get her to see sense, my DD is 22, so a 25 year gap would make him the same age as DH, it's sickening to be honest.
I wouldn't want her to be involved with a man of any age who already had children either.

Arithmeticulous · 03/10/2012 08:09

I wouldn't like it, but I'd try my hardest to remember that I was a member of the welcoming party, not the selection committee.

dottyspotty2 · 03/10/2012 08:22

Malifence so if your daughter happened to have children then find herself as a single parent would you expect her to spend the rest of her life alone? If not what your saying is a bit of double standards. This is an adult woman who can make her own decisions its not a parents place to tell them what to do at this age. Yes your a parent for life at least most parents are.

financialwizard · 03/10/2012 08:36

If I was that daughter the first question my Mum would ask me is 'is he loaded?'

IMO I would let her get on with it. It might fizzle out anyway

kalidasa · 03/10/2012 08:49

I think stillsquiffy's post is very acute. And definitely agree that the adult children will have some insight. Unless you have known him or of him for a long time it will be hard for you to judge whether he has a pattern of seeing much younger women briefly.

I wouldn't be horrified but I would be concerned. I was in a similar relationship for a few years in my mid-late twenties, he was just over 20 years older than me. Like you I was very ambitious and work-focused. We are still friends in a vague way but it wasn't a good relationship. Like the OP I enjoyed the relationship intellectually and felt that he took my career and aspirations seriously. But he was also profoundly commitment-phobic, manipulative and immature (none of this was obvious - at least to me - until I was quite seriously involved), he was good at and enjoyed the early stages of a relationship but couldn't follow through (and will never manage to I don't think).

I do think his history is important. A long successful previous marriage that ended not too recently with a civilised (but not too close) relationship with his ex-wife would be reassuring.

But I would take things slowly and take seriously any concerns you have. Whatever patterns have governed his previous relationships are very unlikely to change now, which is the big difference from a man closer to your own age. If he is healthy, well-adjusted and self-aware then that's not necessarily a problem.

GooseyLoosey · 03/10/2012 08:49

Was going to post along the lines of Stillsquiffy - I too have seen what she describes many, many times.

I was going to ask if the 40 odd year old was a partner in the Firm? If so, you do realise that it is highly likely that you will have to leave and that your colleagues will not all view the relationship kindly?

Also, if he is a partner, he will be approaching retirement soon - are you prepared for that?

TheHumancatapult · 03/10/2012 08:50

My heart be a bit gulp but at 24 her choice and would be there to support if needed

scarlettsmummy2 · 03/10/2012 09:23

I think still squiffy has knocked it on the head, may not be the case for all older men but certainly that has also been my experience.

bubalou · 03/10/2012 09:26

There are 10 years between my partner and me - I'm 26 he's 36.

This is the biggest age gap that I personally could put up with. It doesn't cause many problems but I can definitely see that being with someone even another 5 years older then him let alone another 15 wouldn't work for me at all.

You just need to be realistic with your future plans.

Overcooked · 03/10/2012 09:40

Why are there never any 'I am 50, my DH is 25' posts - it's always older men with younger women, it concerns me, and there is often a power imbalance (as referred to by a poster above.

Overcooked · 03/10/2012 09:58

Oh gad, he's not a partner in a law firm is he - please run for the hills. It's exactly as Squiffy says above, there are numerous partners here onto their second/third wives - trading up for younger models.

There is a defininite culture for it, we have a partner here that fathered two children at almost the same time and now lives between the two homes, his first wife and his very young ex secretary very young partner.

24 is very young and naive for these types of relationships.

whogivesaduck1 · 03/10/2012 10:10

my partner is, like i said, 18yrs older then me. i am 24. he has a daughter and she is 22. he also has 2 step daughters, one i see who is 29 and another i dont see who is 36.

step daughter, daughter and i seem to get on well ( or at least they tolorate me well) and there is no problems.

OneMoreChap · 03/10/2012 10:21

Overcooked 24 is very young and naive for these types of relationships.
whogivesaduck1 my partner is, like i said, 18yrs older then me. i am 24.

That's you told then.

I am frankly astounded that so many of the posters here are tutting at this.
If your father said to you, "He's unsuitable, I don't want you shagging him..." because he thought you were too young, too naive, didn't know what men were like, I'd imagine you did/would have told him to swivel.

People mature at different rates; but when you're an adult, you get to make adult decisions and bear adult consequences.

It's arrogant in the extreme to think you know better than another adult. You may well know different, and have differing life experiences. Their decisions; butt out of them unless asked for advice.

samandi · 03/10/2012 10:22

I would be worried and think it was weird, if it was a long term relationship. A fling doesn't really matter.

EldritchCleavage · 03/10/2012 10:34

All you can do ultimately, is all ay of us can do in a relationship,and that is tread carefully. Since you are just starting out on your career beware of making a lot of compromises in this relationship that suit him but don't suit your longer-term interests. And if you are in the same firm as him, urgently consider moving.

Overcooked · 03/10/2012 10:51

Onemorechap - not really, I don't feel I have 'been told'.

I'm not saying I would wade in and try and stop the relationship becuase that would almost certainly push them closer. I would certainly keep a close eye on my daughter and try and counsel her as far is possible. of course 24 is an adult but it is still very young, I would question why a 50 year old man wants to be with such a young adult rather than someone his own age (apart from obvious reasons).

If it was in the OP's workplace I would be even more wary just becuase I have seen it so many times before. It's difficult to explain unless you are a lawyer but when you are starting out the partners are really looked up to and they are in a position of power over trainee solicitors or newly qualifieds and often these people get swept up in the relationships and it ends badly.

I know anecdotes don't make date and all that but I really have seen and heard about these kind of relationships a lot!

dottyspotty2 · 03/10/2012 11:10

**Overcooked my DH is 13 years older than me have been together since I was 18 at 24 we were married with 3 young children,you can have your opinions like anyone else its a free country. Incidently my previous bf [ I use term loosely] was 27 years my senior.

oohlaalaa · 03/10/2012 11:12

I wouldn't like it.

Overcooked · 03/10/2012 11:18

I'm glad it's worked out for you dotty but I still think big age gaps can cause problems, imbalance of power being one of the main ones. I would be horrified if it was my DD, I'm sorry but I just would.