Pictures of children on Facebook?

[HappyHippie]

This is very upsetting. DD (5) spent the whole day with my sister yesterday, and this morning she posted a picture of her on Facebook. I asked my sister to remove it and she said she's done so, but she unfriended me as well. AIBU? :(

people who aren't morons moved on to Twitter years ago.

Yep, Twitter is totes intellectual!

Anyway. All that matters is personal choice isn't it?

There's bloody Drama Llamas every-bloody-where at the moment!

Oops a typo... you so have the upper hand

IsThisYou?!

Twitter is completely different to Facebook.

The FB ToS have changed several times and will change again. They were moderated prior to the public share sale and are not obliged to stay that way.

If you are in, you have to accept the changes.

'subject only to your privacy settings' - which only affect what other users see, not FB itself

Just one thing: is "unfriend" even a word?! It's totally grating on me and I've only read page one. DEFRIEND DEFRIEND DEFRIEND.

Oh god- just checked on fb and it appears unfriend is a word. Could be the final straw for me and Facebook...

I have both Facebook and Twitter - they are not completely different at all. In fact I would even say Twitter is just a basic version of Facebook.

On Twitter you have the same as Facebook - Status updates and Picture sharing.

On facebook you write on somebodies wall (which is viewable to who the privacy settings allow) or send them a private message. On Twitter you @ somebody (which is viewable to who the privacy settings allow) or your direct message them which is the same as private message on Facebook.

Could you point out the complete difference?

Penis
"I don't use FB but here is everything that is wrong with it that I've gleaned from a bizarre collection of tinfoil hat sites and gossip"

Actually it's:
"I don't use FB and these are the reasons I don't like it, which I have researched carefully in my professional activities"

It amazes me what people post on facebook, I've seen people putting photos of their kids in the bath on there and all sorts.
Personally I don't put photos of the kids on there, my DD's Aunt did though and when I asked her to remove it (politely) she blocked me and DD.

Ok, here's something for you. When I got an android phone a couple of years ago, I connected my FB to it and lo and behold my phone book filled up with personal mobile numbers of various people on my 'friends' list. I'm still not sure how this happened, but upon talking to people they were unaware that their numbers were public. Not only public, but automatically stored in someone's phone! This can't be right, surely. Also my twitter doesn't even have my own photo on it nevermind my kids!

(sharing your phone number is optional)

As you were

For those who say a photo on Facebook is not a big deal it is to some people.

Agree. Most people wouldn't be happy if their friends were handing out printed copies of the same photos to their friends for no good reason. So what is it about FB which cons people into thinking it's any different?

When my dd was at primary school I signed a disclosure saying my dd's image was not to be distributed or used in any material recorded by the school. I don't know if this is standard procedure or not nowadays. The same thing happened when I graduated, I could tick a box to say I didn't want my results or image posted in the press. So why the FUCK would it be ok for family members to post photos/information about me or my family on their page making it visible to folk my family don't even know? Why can't people see the issue? It's not being uptight, some people just respect privacy, and if you don't respect other people's privacy, you're a cunt.

The photographer owns the image, not the subject (as Prince Harry has just been reminded!) so you have no rights over the image. So, legally, your sister can do what she want.

However, YANBU to ask a family member to remove a photo from FB, expecially if you previously have told them you are uncomfortable with it and whatever the legal position I think she is BVU to get so huffy about it and then unfriend you (presumably so you can't see if she has removed the photo or not). I'm not on FB but do have a flickr account for photos of the kids. My friends and family all know about it and I always tell them I'll remove any images of their children if they are uncomfortable with them being there, I'd rather keep my friends than insist on the legal point for a snapshot of someone elses child.

I see the idiots are out in force.

Let's clear up a few misconceptions:

1. If you upload a picture to Facebook you still own it. You grant Facebook a limited right to reproduce said image in order to be able to host the image on their servers - in effect to be able to provide the service you use. Facebook does not "own" the image, cannot sell it, alter it or otherwise use it. These people claiming otherwise are flat out wrong - you retain copyright of the image. In fact you'll almost certainly find that good old MN has a similar T&Cs for uploading your images to your MN profile.

1. If someone posts a picture of your child on facebook then you're limited to untagging it and politely requesting they take it down. There is no "protection of image" or similar in the UK. Provided the picture was taken with the permission of the owner of where the photo was taken (for example at their home or visiting elsewhere) or the subject did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy (for example snapping someone in their back garden from behind a hedge) then you have no right to control how that image is used - regardless of whether it holds an image of your kids. Your best bet is to politely ask but you have no right to tell someone to take a picture down.

I suppose if you were to make a fuss to Facebook and threaten to involve the local media (assuming they would be interested) then they might take it down to avoid the hassle but it's really at their discretion.

Bottom line - if you don't want pictures of your kids appearing on the internet then don't take them out of the house.

Hands up who has 'google stalked' or 'facebook stalked' a old acquaintance without any intention of contacting them.

Come on, lets be honest here.

Hands up who has been properly stalked by someone?

It not nice. Does it make me paranoid? Is it paranoid, if you've had a bad experience?

So why make it easy for someone to do? There's something nice about privacy. Its undervalued.

Not to mention, given I'm researching family history, I'm generally cautious about the trail I leave as its incredible what is recorded. It doesn't mean I don't have a fb account - you can't monitor whats put about you to a certain degree otherwise.

I've always been funny about allowing anyone take MY photo. Since my teens. I think its my right to be shy.

Friends and family are well aware of this. I think it would be more weird if I wasn't the same about how I feel about any future children. If they disrespected this, no I don't think its OTT. I think its about understanding how I feel about photos and them being made public.

I do not think I have the right to post pictures of my children until they are old enough to understand and make that decision for themselves as once you have build an online presence its extremely, if not impossible to erase.

Its important to me, and whether anyone thinks thats silly is pretty irrelevant - you should respect how others feel and understand that not everyone is comfortable with photos in general. Anything different is pretty rude. Everyone knows people who are uncomfortable about photos, so its not unreasonable to expect people to give it more thought and ask first - especially since its FB.

Bottom line - if you don't want pictures of your kids appearing on the internet then don't take them out of the house

Nonsense.

"I think its my right to be shy. "

I'm afraid it really isn't. If you're in a public place then you haven't got a say in it.

Bottom line - if you don't want pictures of your kids appearing on the internet then don't take them out of the house.

The issue is how data is linked up and connected together and published, with a name etc rather than simply have a photo taken in isolation.

I offer no endorsement (not giving a toss ) but I've heard of safeshepherd.com/ that claims Safe Shepherd finds & removes your family's personal info from websites that sell it.

The old saw is on Facebook, you're not the customer, you're the product.

If your phone filled up with numbers from Facebook it's because your FB friends put their phone number on FB and didn't put any privacy setting on it... It's not black fucking magic.

Your Twitter might not have your photo on it... but photos are optional on Facebook too.

No matter where you go your caught on camera for god sake, so actually the poster who said "Bottom line - if you don't want pictures of your kids appearing on the internet then don't take them out of the house" is correct. Yes internet can be used for stalking... but only if Privacy settings allow. My privacy settings do not allow my FB profile to show on google (you can even set it so only friends of friends can find you on FB) and when someone I'm not friends with views my picture on FB the only information they get is My name and Profile picture. If you really wanted to stalk someone the electoral roll has existed for years (unless you've opted out of the edited)...

Sorry, but people making all sorts of half arsed claims about social networking seem to be technophobes.

"Nonsense."

Speaking as a part time tog who has done the odd bit of street snapping I'm afriad that there really is nothing you can do to stop me.

In fact, case in point - I've recently sold a picture taken last time I was at the coast. Little girl, dropped ice cream, tears. Bit of a cliche but a good example of the type. That picture has been sold to a few clients, is on a couple of stock libraries and is also on my own web site.

Now, I have no idea if that girls parents even know I took the picture, never mind if they object but even if they were to, there is nothing they can do about it.

I'm not being deliberately obtuse but some people really very little idea of how these things work.

As I say, the only way to stop your kids appearing on the internet is to keep them in the house.

Well said, glassofrose. Amazing amount of paranoia and misinformation on this thread.

What beanie has written is true, my degree is in photography, the law states that you can use an image that you take without permission so long as it is not to advertise something. So if I take a photo of a small child on the street the image belongs to me to do what I want with it so long as I don't use it to advertise something.

An image of me as a child was used in the guardian to illustrate a anti thatcher march, do I feel I would choose to march against the issues now, maybe no, but I don't feel like it is a massive invasion of my privacy, I was there lots of people saw me, yes 1000's more people saw me in the newspaper but I don't think it negatively effected me.

BeanieStats, you are aware of how open you leave yourself to legal action for various reasons if you aren't using model release forms.

Might be unlikely to happen, but all of the reputable stock photo sites I use, require them.