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AIBU to want thm to play the Scottish National anthem when chris hoy got his gold

217 replies

BlueBirdsNest · 07/08/2012 18:48

They hould have played flower of scotland

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FateLovesTheFearless · 07/08/2012 23:57

Angry strike through fail.

Jinsei · 08/08/2012 00:01

I hate our national anthem (am a republican Grin) but why is it disrespectful to Scottish people in particular? Genuine question btw.

Kewcumber · 08/08/2012 00:01

"She in't even English" we're not really going to do again this are we? Are you really going to assert that someone born in England isn't really english - on what basis is she not English??? (though I expect she would diplomatically describe herself as British rather than English)

BlueBirdsNest · 08/08/2012 00:03

is she (the queen) not german though

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Kewcumber · 08/08/2012 00:05

Whether you like the national anthem is a totally different issue to whether the British national anthem should be played when a british athlete wins.

I'm anglo-welsh and this this argument is totally bizarre when teh person in question hasn't expressed any desire whatsoever to have some popular scottish song played.

BlueBirdsNest · 08/08/2012 00:05

GSTQ sings about quashing (killing) rebellious Scots

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Kewcumber · 08/08/2012 00:05

How is she German?

CommunistMoon · 08/08/2012 00:05

Jinsei, there's a verse that is left out these days:

"Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid, Victory bring.
May he sedition hush, and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush, God save the Queen".

I can't bear GSTQ or Flower of Scotland Sad

Kladdkaka · 08/08/2012 00:06

She may well have been born in England, she may well have lived in England her entire life and she may well own half of England, but does she have a British passport?

BlueBirdsNest · 08/08/2012 00:10

i doubt the queen needs apssport .......she'll just bluff her way in

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NovackNGood · 08/08/2012 00:11

Jinsel, it is only some Scottish people who are anti GSTQ because they think it's anti Scottish, but i would bet 10k that 99% of them have never seen the verse that only talks about crushing the minority of scots who took part in a rebellion. For goodness sakes unless you went to a public school most folks can't even sing the second verse.

BlueBirdsNest · 08/08/2012 00:11

She is German though

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Kewcumber · 08/08/2012 00:11

no - because she doesn't need one - they are all issued by her asking to for the bearer to pass freely - she can't ask for herself to pass freely apparently

And doesn;t the Duke of Westminster own most of England rather than the Queen?

BlueBirdsNest · 08/08/2012 00:13

novackNGood lots of Scottish people do know it's anti Scottish though even if they don't know the actual words

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Railnerd · 08/08/2012 00:13

I wonder if people BELIEVE some of the stuff they write here, or if it's just propaganda.

Anyway, from Wikipedia:

Around 1745, anti-Jacobite sentiment was captured in a verse appended to the song, with a prayer for the success of Field Marshal George Wade's army then assembling at Newcastle. These words attained some short-term use, although they did not appear in the published version in the October 1745 Gentleman's Magazine. The source of this verse was a later article on the song, published by the Gentleman's Magazine in 1837. Therein, it is presented as an "additional verse... though being of temporary application only... stored in the memory of an old friend... who was born in the very year 1745, and was thus the associate of those who heard it first sung", the lyrics given being:
Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the King.
The 1837 article and other sources make it clear that this verse was not used soon after 1745, and certainly before the song became accepted as the British national anthem in the 1780s and 1790s. It was included as an integral part of the song in the Oxford Book of Eighteenth Century Verse of 1926, although erroneously referencing the "fourth verse" to the Gentleman's Magazine article of 1745.
On the opposing side, Jacobite beliefs were demonstrated in an alternative verse used during the same period:
God bless the prince, I pray,
God bless the prince, I pray,
Charlie I mean;
That Scotland we may see
Freed from vile Presbyt'ry,
Both George and his Feckie,
Ever so, Amen.

I suspect it's convenient for SNP-types to claim this as 'part of the anthem'

BoneyBackJefferson · 08/08/2012 00:15

she is related to James 6th of scotland who became James 1st of England if thats any help. :)

iggi777 · 08/08/2012 00:16

Wouldn't everyone who wants to vote for independence in a Scottish referendum count as "rebellious Scots"?

NoComet · 08/08/2012 00:16

No or we'll get the Welsh one when they win and despite living in Wales for all of my schooling I still don't know the wordsBlush

GColdtimer · 08/08/2012 00:17

Yabu. Hth.

Kewcumber · 08/08/2012 00:18

She is German though

Again - how is she German? She doesn't speak german, wasn;t born in germany, hasn't ever lived in germany both parents were born in the UK and always lived in the UK.

Bonkers.

NovackNGood · 08/08/2012 00:19

NO they think it's anti'scottish but it's not at all. It's only anti traitors of the union.

Kewcumber · 08/08/2012 00:21

she doesn't even speak german, though she does speak French fluently. She's not a very convincing german she need to brush up a bit.

iggi777 · 08/08/2012 00:22

Now come on. If it said "rebellious mumsnetters to crush" would we think 'oh that's only some mumsnetters, it doesn't apply to me' or would we just think 'fuck you and the horse etc, I'm not singing that'.

Kladdkaka · 08/08/2012 00:24

She is German though

How so? She was born in Britain and both her parents were British citizens (with British passports). Her mother was born in London, her father was born in Norfolk. All of her grandparents were British citizens born in London.

NovackNGood · 08/08/2012 00:25

I think it was the loony left, guardian reading, entitled to everything for free brigade. Smile