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MN Jury - need perspective on potential paranoia

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ParanoidPrue · 14/02/2012 22:57

Right here goes - longtime MNer (although recently more lurking than posting) namechanging for some no holds barred, arse-kicking, truly impartial MN advice.

H and I married 14 years, 3 kids, fairly up and down marriage - typical rollercoaster - when it's good it's great, when it's not good it's really really shit. Dynamic shifted some six years ago whilst pregnant with DC1 when I discovered H had embarked on a fairly nasty text-messaging EA with a woman he met through work. Started when I was 7 mths pregnant, discovered when DC1 was four months old. Carried on for another six or seven months until I found a hidden phone by which time it had stopped. H at the time swore blind it was text messages only, I later discovered sometime after the birth of DC2 that he also telephoned her numerous times a day. He said he only met her once. We moved on ..sort of..had an unplanned DC3. During that time, there have been a couple of occasions when I've found questionnable texts. Rightly or wrongly, I've been checking up on him and both times caught it in the early stages. H is somewhat of a ladies man - I want to say was a ladies man but of course evidence shows that he still considers himself to be so.

There's the background - may be irrelevant but wanted to show H's history. Current situation is this - H and I fostered a friendship with a girl from the local nursery whilst I was pregnant with DC3 - let's call her Jane. She was DC2's keyworker and loved him to bits. H bought her flowers on her birthday (without discussing with me beforehand) and I thought nothing of it because he's fairly generous especially where he thinks kids may benefit. We decided to ask her to babysit DCs whilst I was in hospital. Rang her on the night i went into labour - she cancelled her plans and H picked her up and brought her round. She stayed with kids whilst H took me to hospital. He stayed with me a couple of hours and then went home - to be fair, they told him to. I thought nothing of it at the time. He was going to come first thing in the morning. We had discussed many times that I'd prefer he be with the kids and I would be fine on my own. In the event, he did come the next morning albeit five minutes after I gave birth.

Jane continued to come round ostensibly to see me and the kids. H would collect her and drop her home. He would literally be minutes in the car and often took one of the kids with him when doing this. We discussed that she was a bit of a pain in that she would often invite herself over and then stay far beyond her welcome (along the lines of until 1am in the morning when DC3 was a few weeks old). However we thought she was maybe lonely having not long broken up with her long-term bf.

DC and I went on hols with my parents when DC3 was about 8 months old. H couldn't come as he'd just started new job. We were only away a week but on my return I had texts from Jane asking to come over the following weekend which she did. H was totally different - he didn't offer to collect her or indeed drop her home. He went upstairs and had a bath and then went out. He has never done this with either Jane or indeed any of my friends. No matter how much of a twat he's being to me, he's always been super polite and welcoming to our guests and bent over backwards to see to their needs to the extent that I sometimes feel a bit redundant. Not the case on this occasion - he basically gave Jane the cold shoulder. After I took her home, I did tackle him on it and asked if something was up. He was so weird and dismissive that I really couldn't fathom why he behaved that why.

I shouldn't have but of course I did check his phone and lo and behold there were a number of text message exchanges between them, including one call from her to his phone at midnight. I went absolutely batshit crazy. Not least because he had deleted some of the texts - the ones left were fairly innocuous but still, the fact that he hadn't shared this with me even when I tackled him on his odd behaviour and had deleted some of the exchange left a very very bad taste in my mouth.

His attitude was to treat me as some mad crazy bitch who was making up stuff in her head. We tried to talk about it a number of times - our relationship went to hell. I did say to him on numerous occasions that I didn't think anything had happened not least because he had given her the cold shoulder the last time she visited. I asked specifically why she would call at midnight knowing he was alone. He said that he had no idea - he'd been half asleep so had just made excuses and hung up. Sounds plausible but his insistence that Jane was just a innocent young girl who'd simply made an error in judgement ringing him so late infuriated me for some reason. We stopped talking about it ..well, basically because we stopped talking. Only recently have we been slowly getting back on track after a particularly nasty argument a few weeks back.

Okay this is very long but to get to the crux of what advice I need...in a nutshell! Jane has only texted me once in the last four months (since our holiday) to ask to come over. She has texted H and telephoned him about three times, the last time saying that she couldn't get hold of me. H rang her back and left her a voicemail on one occasion when he got short shrift from me for making apologies for me as if I was being unreasonable. So far as I know, he's ignoring her (I'm no longer checking his phone). Last week, I deleted Jane from FB - firstly because the whole thing is doing my fucking head in and secondly because she had some godawful link to a photoalbum named "Cockalicious" or something equally tasteless. DC1 (7) often reads over my shoulder and I don't fancy answering that question. She's obviously twigged and has, in the space of two hours tonight, texted me twice, rang me and sent me a private fb message.

So what the fucking fuck do I do? Am I totally mad? Should I be apologising to Jane and to H for being some mad old paranoid bint? I'd come to terms with the fact that I was never going to know exactly what happened whilst I was away but I was pretty sure H wouldn't be such a fucking plonker to shit on his own doorstep and be willing to throw our relationship away which is what would happen if I caught him doing anything (and I mean anything) untoward again. My gut says ignore her messages and delete delete delete. But part of me wonders whether I should meet her and just let her know why I'm not interested in pursuing a friendship with her. She's old enough (21 yrs) to know what's appropriate and even though she certainly may have a crush on H going on her past behaviour, she should know that I'm not exactly going to just brush that under the carpet.

Anyway - if you've managed to read this far, congratulations - give yourself a shiney!

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FabbyChic · 14/02/2012 23:03

Sorry but sounds like they had a full on affair and its over now. Hence both his behaviour and her no longer wanting to come over as often. Surprised you never thought of that,it was my first thought.

HippoPottyMouth · 14/02/2012 23:04

It does sound a bit suspicious. If she is texting you, and you could do it, I'd probably meet her for coffee and ask her what has been going on. Nothing to lose really, as you don't currently have a friendship with her now anyway.

DodieSmith · 14/02/2012 23:06

I'd be tempted to meet her and say 'DH has told me everything...'

FabbyChic · 14/02/2012 23:08

Thing is if he knows he has got away with it he will do it again, he has form. Going to the extreme of getting another mobile proves that.

ParanoidPrue · 14/02/2012 23:10

Thank you both - for not saying that I'm bonkers! FabbyChic - no that hadn't really occured to me but if I find out that's what happened, H will really see me batshit crazy. It's just that all this wondering and musing over the whole thing (along with all his other sordid history) is really messing me up. I've told him several times this year that I can't really see a future for us because I can't trust him. He said something a few weeks back that really hit home for me - that we no longer respect each other. We've been making the effort to be more respectful toward each other and I'm wondering if meeting Jane and telling her face to face that I didn't approve of her behaviour would put another spanner in the works. I don't plan on mentioning anything to do with H - that's to do with me and him and I certainly don't feel like confiding in her that she's put the shitters on my relationship. If you don't mind me asking, Hippo (is that an acceptable abbreviation!) - what would you say to Jane?

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Haziedoll · 14/02/2012 23:14

Agree with Dodie.

FabbyChic · 14/02/2012 23:16

YOu seem here to be more concerned about what your H will say and perceive you, he controls you and you don't see it. He lies, and does things behind your back then when you confront him he calls you crazy. He manipulates you and has no respect for you at all.

ParanoidPrue · 14/02/2012 23:17

Crossed posts - Dodie, what if there is no "everything"? I'm no good at all this intrigue and spooks stuff!

Fabby - he didn't exactly get away with it. He's effectively lost who I was to him even though we've gone on to have more children. He often says this and to be fair to him, even though I do think he's a lying cheating arsehole, he's tried his hardest to make it up to me. I just don't think anything he can say would actually make it better.

It's just so hard because I don't even trust my own gut anymore. I just knew the first time he was lying when I found the phonebill and he said they were calls to sexlines - I can't explain it I just knew. But all the lies since then - I just don't know what's true or not anymore. He seems sincere enough but I just can't shake that feeling that I'm being taken for a fool.

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HippoPottyMouth · 14/02/2012 23:19

I'd probably just be straight with her, just say you have found out she has been texting / ringing your H at inappropriate times and that you find it odd that he gave her the cold shoulder since you were away and you wonder what had happened.
Tell her you were going with the path of least resistance by deleting her, but as she has brought it up you are interested in her side.

I would say as little as possible in text / email though, wait til you are face to face so you can gauge reaction.

rogersmellyonthetelly · 14/02/2012 23:20

My gut instinct is that they shagged while you were away and it all went sour then. You are so not crazy, let's face it, if you smell a rat it's because there is in fact a rat.

ParanoidPrue · 14/02/2012 23:20

Yes Fabby I see what you mean - but he insists that is who he was and not who he is. He says that he's devastated that he could hurt me that way although he insists to this fucking day that he never cheated on me (by which I can only assume that he didn't have sex). Still, after all these years I keep saying that it was cheating but he just doesn't get it.

I hope he's not manipulating me although again, I can see that might be true - to counteract any potential manipulation, I'm deliberately not discussing it with him because it's my decision whether or not to meet with her and certainly what i will say if I do.

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DodieSmith · 14/02/2012 23:20

I know what you mean, I am no good at intrigue either Grin. However this is something, in that late night calls and texts whilst you're on holiday would, in most people's eyes need some explanation.

ParanoidPrue · 14/02/2012 23:22

Oh God, you all think he shagged her. I was so sure I was wrong.

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rhondajean · 14/02/2012 23:23

I think Rodgers right.

Or best case scenario, one of them tried it and the other said no.

Sorry couldn't read and run.

georgethecat · 14/02/2012 23:25

Wow, thats quite a biggy, I must say I class myself a pretty level headed but would find this situation a total head fuck so YANBU to feel paranoid.

Jane sounds like she has some boundary issues & your DH is acting oddly. Something may have happened or she may have made a pass at DH, nothing happened and he is recoiling from her as a prevention method as he knows what shit he got into last time. I am a flirt but know where the line cannot be crossed, this could be your DH.

I really don't know what I'd do or if what I'd do was the most sensible option to advise, I know one thing - I'd have to know.

If I was still getting no joy from DH, I think I would tackle her in a non aggressive way, face to face, explaining why you deleted her, the boundary stuff & ask her if anything happened - at the end of the day you won't have to see her again if not pursuing friendship. She may tell you the truth, she may lie but she is old enough to have an adult convo about relationships.

I must reiterate, this is what I would do and may not necessarily be the best course of action for you.

Hoolet · 14/02/2012 23:25

Yeah, I'd say he's slept with Jane on the basis of what you've written. I'd also say that he'll tell you he hasn't and the whole thing will do your head in.

Far better to accept the facts as you know them. Regardless of him sleeping with Jane, he has been evasive, dishonest and tried to make you feel miserable/crazy just for following this up. Don't allow yourself to feel paranoid or crazy about the sex, just know that the behaviour is already wrong and you are fine/sane to call him on that.

DodieSmith · 14/02/2012 23:25

If they didn't do it why would he cold shoulder her?

HippoPottyMouth · 14/02/2012 23:26

Yes, sorry, I think something has happened for him to suddenly do the out of character cold shoulder.
It's a cliche, him trying to make out its all in your mind too. Did he get angry and say "well if you don't believe me that's your problem, nothing I can do about it" "if you don't trust me then maybe it's over" (ie it's your fault..)

ParanoidPrue · 14/02/2012 23:27

Okay Rhonda I'm liking that - best case scenario for me would be he was texting and flirtatious as he usually is (he flirts with my mother and grandmother!) and she totally took it as a come on and tried it on, he had to brush her off

But even if that was what happened, why the fuck wouldn't he tell me? It's the lies (deleting texts and downplaying stuff) that are getting to me most of all. A simple explanation would work wonders for my mental health right now.

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TessTickular · 14/02/2012 23:28

There is no denying that something has taken place. You could meet her and tell her you know, but to be honest I think your priority should be sorting the divorce out.

HippoPottyMouth · 14/02/2012 23:28

Georgethecat has said it well

DodieSmith · 14/02/2012 23:31

I think most people reading your OP would guess that he slept with her. But we are all just strangers on the internet, so we can't really know for a fact.

ParanoidPrue · 14/02/2012 23:32

He didn't really get angry this time (he did when I caught him out before) - it was me that was angry when he was so dismissive about it. Then I brought up all the stuff from the past and asked him to tell me the truth about that. One awful night, he told me that he'd met up with the woman from work and had a grope in the park. He later told me he'd made it all up to shut me up. Total headfuck - it was seven years ago and my head is still totally fucking fucked up about that. Jane seems to be a bit of a red herring in this situation I know.

I think I'm going to text her and ask her to meet me for coffee this weekend. I'll tell H I'm going shopping (which I do need to do) and try the non-aggressive yet super-confident approach i.e. this is what happened, what do you have to tell me?

What do you guys think? I do really appreciate this you know - I've told very few people in RL and even then, the bare minimum and not about how messed up I feel.

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rhondajean · 14/02/2012 23:32

It's a possibility but with his track record, even if it's innocent enough to treat you like that is pretty unforgiveable.

I think you go meet her if you are up to it. Have a friend prepared round the corner so you can walk away with your head held high and then collapse with someone you trust if it's bad news.

I dunno, maybe he thinks it's been long enough andnyoumshould just trust him again and he's just being a nob, it is possible.

georgethecat · 14/02/2012 23:37

It is what I would do prue, even if you don't get any straight answers/she doesn't turn up at least you would feel like you were taking control of the situation rather than feeling that your H or this woman were taking the piss.