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MN Jury - need perspective on potential paranoia

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ParanoidPrue · 14/02/2012 22:57

Right here goes - longtime MNer (although recently more lurking than posting) namechanging for some no holds barred, arse-kicking, truly impartial MN advice.

H and I married 14 years, 3 kids, fairly up and down marriage - typical rollercoaster - when it's good it's great, when it's not good it's really really shit. Dynamic shifted some six years ago whilst pregnant with DC1 when I discovered H had embarked on a fairly nasty text-messaging EA with a woman he met through work. Started when I was 7 mths pregnant, discovered when DC1 was four months old. Carried on for another six or seven months until I found a hidden phone by which time it had stopped. H at the time swore blind it was text messages only, I later discovered sometime after the birth of DC2 that he also telephoned her numerous times a day. He said he only met her once. We moved on ..sort of..had an unplanned DC3. During that time, there have been a couple of occasions when I've found questionnable texts. Rightly or wrongly, I've been checking up on him and both times caught it in the early stages. H is somewhat of a ladies man - I want to say was a ladies man but of course evidence shows that he still considers himself to be so.

There's the background - may be irrelevant but wanted to show H's history. Current situation is this - H and I fostered a friendship with a girl from the local nursery whilst I was pregnant with DC3 - let's call her Jane. She was DC2's keyworker and loved him to bits. H bought her flowers on her birthday (without discussing with me beforehand) and I thought nothing of it because he's fairly generous especially where he thinks kids may benefit. We decided to ask her to babysit DCs whilst I was in hospital. Rang her on the night i went into labour - she cancelled her plans and H picked her up and brought her round. She stayed with kids whilst H took me to hospital. He stayed with me a couple of hours and then went home - to be fair, they told him to. I thought nothing of it at the time. He was going to come first thing in the morning. We had discussed many times that I'd prefer he be with the kids and I would be fine on my own. In the event, he did come the next morning albeit five minutes after I gave birth.

Jane continued to come round ostensibly to see me and the kids. H would collect her and drop her home. He would literally be minutes in the car and often took one of the kids with him when doing this. We discussed that she was a bit of a pain in that she would often invite herself over and then stay far beyond her welcome (along the lines of until 1am in the morning when DC3 was a few weeks old). However we thought she was maybe lonely having not long broken up with her long-term bf.

DC and I went on hols with my parents when DC3 was about 8 months old. H couldn't come as he'd just started new job. We were only away a week but on my return I had texts from Jane asking to come over the following weekend which she did. H was totally different - he didn't offer to collect her or indeed drop her home. He went upstairs and had a bath and then went out. He has never done this with either Jane or indeed any of my friends. No matter how much of a twat he's being to me, he's always been super polite and welcoming to our guests and bent over backwards to see to their needs to the extent that I sometimes feel a bit redundant. Not the case on this occasion - he basically gave Jane the cold shoulder. After I took her home, I did tackle him on it and asked if something was up. He was so weird and dismissive that I really couldn't fathom why he behaved that why.

I shouldn't have but of course I did check his phone and lo and behold there were a number of text message exchanges between them, including one call from her to his phone at midnight. I went absolutely batshit crazy. Not least because he had deleted some of the texts - the ones left were fairly innocuous but still, the fact that he hadn't shared this with me even when I tackled him on his odd behaviour and had deleted some of the exchange left a very very bad taste in my mouth.

His attitude was to treat me as some mad crazy bitch who was making up stuff in her head. We tried to talk about it a number of times - our relationship went to hell. I did say to him on numerous occasions that I didn't think anything had happened not least because he had given her the cold shoulder the last time she visited. I asked specifically why she would call at midnight knowing he was alone. He said that he had no idea - he'd been half asleep so had just made excuses and hung up. Sounds plausible but his insistence that Jane was just a innocent young girl who'd simply made an error in judgement ringing him so late infuriated me for some reason. We stopped talking about it ..well, basically because we stopped talking. Only recently have we been slowly getting back on track after a particularly nasty argument a few weeks back.

Okay this is very long but to get to the crux of what advice I need...in a nutshell! Jane has only texted me once in the last four months (since our holiday) to ask to come over. She has texted H and telephoned him about three times, the last time saying that she couldn't get hold of me. H rang her back and left her a voicemail on one occasion when he got short shrift from me for making apologies for me as if I was being unreasonable. So far as I know, he's ignoring her (I'm no longer checking his phone). Last week, I deleted Jane from FB - firstly because the whole thing is doing my fucking head in and secondly because she had some godawful link to a photoalbum named "Cockalicious" or something equally tasteless. DC1 (7) often reads over my shoulder and I don't fancy answering that question. She's obviously twigged and has, in the space of two hours tonight, texted me twice, rang me and sent me a private fb message.

So what the fucking fuck do I do? Am I totally mad? Should I be apologising to Jane and to H for being some mad old paranoid bint? I'd come to terms with the fact that I was never going to know exactly what happened whilst I was away but I was pretty sure H wouldn't be such a fucking plonker to shit on his own doorstep and be willing to throw our relationship away which is what would happen if I caught him doing anything (and I mean anything) untoward again. My gut says ignore her messages and delete delete delete. But part of me wonders whether I should meet her and just let her know why I'm not interested in pursuing a friendship with her. She's old enough (21 yrs) to know what's appropriate and even though she certainly may have a crush on H going on her past behaviour, she should know that I'm not exactly going to just brush that under the carpet.

Anyway - if you've managed to read this far, congratulations - give yourself a shiney!

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dysfunctionalme · 11/09/2012 10:24

Gee you're just so miserable. You know, it doesn't have to be this way. You don't have to live with the pain and uncertainty.

Do you have much RL support?

shewhowines · 11/09/2012 11:05

You are going to have to be really strong now because he will be using all his charm to stop you from going. Calling you crazy hasn't worked like it has in the past so he'll be looking to employ new tactics. - starting with being more helpful getting up with the kids etc. He will be kindness itself until he gets what he wants.

If he really wants to save the marriage he'll agree to counselling. Don't be sucked in by anything else.

brighteyedbusytailed · 11/09/2012 11:08

Yeah getting up with your toddler is him 'being good' I think to try and change your mood.

WhereYouLeftIt · 11/09/2012 12:08

"the doubts crowd in and I question whether he is right and I'm just being a drama queen"
I honestly think you are not a drama queen. That you think you might be, is, IMO, purely down to his constant gaslighting of your perfectly normal reactions to his behaviour over SO many years. Sad

BoomerGold · 11/09/2012 15:01

Isn't it a never ending cycle of suspicion, lies and then ultimately self doubt? I understand it's hard for a stranger to see in, but it's much harder for you to see out.

I've read the entire thread in between dealing with my kid and the one thing that stands out, which loads of others have already mentioned, is the fact you'll never trust him again.

He's being lovely now because he realises you mean business and he suddenly sees what he stands to lose.

If he ever wants to make it up to you, he'll need to do it as the father of your kids now, not as your husband. It's too late for that.

It's over.

BoomerGold · 11/09/2012 15:03

bloody hell I've just read my post back and it sounds as though it's MY situation, not yours OP!

Terribly sorry! I'm a bit wonky today I hope that explains it.

Stand tall and proud of yourself because YOU have never done to him what he has done to you. If this was happening to a mate of yours you'd have rescued her long ago.

NowThenWreck · 11/09/2012 15:20

Not read all the pages, but having read your OP...

  1. Of course he fucking shagged her.
  2. And he shagged the others.
  3. Leave the bastard.

You are not paranoid. You are being a bit dense, but to be fair his gaslighting is bound to be clouding your thinking.

HTH

NowThenWreck · 11/09/2012 15:55

Caught up now!

Wow. Glad you are resolved OP. Sorry you have to go through such a horrendous and traumatic life change for you and dc's, but it will be worth it.

You will see things much more clearly when you are away from someone who calls you a crazy bitch for having a totally reasonable reaction to his bullshit.

ParanoidPrue · 11/09/2012 18:16

Thank you for all your very kind messages - I've a very good rl friend who knows this user name who sent me a message first thing this morning saying exactly the same thing as all of you! I needed that reality check I think. It's so easy to fall into that trap where real life takes over and you forget/minimise the other stuff...

I've told my parents today which is a big step forward - they really had no idea how bad it was and saying it out loud made it feel real. We're going to discuss options for me moving out temporarily to start with but it feels good to be making plans. I just need to keep my resolve up in the meantime. I'm off to deal with dinner and bedtime now but thank you all again so much Thanks

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FreckledLeopard · 11/09/2012 18:31

Just come across this thread. I have recently separated from my husband for a number of reasons (not to do with cheating, but other issues). For me, despite knowing that the relationship wasn't working and that I was miserable, the hardest part I found was to actually take the decision to call time on it and go from there. I would say we had to separate, then waver on the decision, try and figure out ways to make things work, cry, try again. Ultimately, the fear of breaking up was worse in many ways than the actual point that he moved out. Now, six weeks down the line since he's gone, things are already much calmer and I feel so much more at peace.

Not sure if any of this helps, but sometimes the build up and angst about the separation is worse than the reality of leaving.

Look after yourself - lean on anyone you can for support.

BoomerGold · 11/09/2012 19:06

Please keep us updated, OP, if that's not too rude of me to ask. I'd love to know how you and your kids are getting on and whether you need more help with making the changes in your life.

Proudnscary · 11/09/2012 19:21

Good luck OP, thinking of you. It's a terribly difficult, painful decision but it's really been his decision hasn't it? What choice as he left you after years of duplicity and worse?

ParanoidPrue · 14/09/2012 16:19

Hello - thank you again for your lovely messages - nice to "see" you again Proudandscary Smile

Update as requested by Boomer - well nothing much as my parents are away.y plan is to tell H I'm having "a break" but I want my Dad there when I do to force him to behave really.

The last couple of days have been really awful - the feeling of guilt I have at cutting him off from his children over something relatively trivial is overwhelming. I stupidly tried again today to address the condom issue with H - I just wanted to give him the chance to admit something.

It was totally pointless - apparently I'm just in a stupid mood and he's waiting for me to come to my senses. Of course he put the condoms in there for us. Don't I remember him saying they came with the car in a health and safety pack?? Yes because your employers top priority is to make sure you have safe sex in their company car isn't it?? Oh and the crowning glory - I need to stop reading Mumsnet because it's ruining our marriage!

I officially give up on him. I'm done. He's done nothing to fix this and even laughed in my face when I said "I know you're lying, look me in the eye and tell me you're not". He has zero respect for me and our marriage and I'm going insane trying to fix this myself Sad

I'm still concerned about the impact on the kids but after a good chat with a RL mate, its finally starting to dawn on me that is his responsibility not mine.

Sorry for the rather long and self absorbed pity party Blush

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deakymom · 14/09/2012 16:30

if you can smell a rat buy rat poison not air freshener

in other words you have been covering up for his faults for a long time and you have to decide if you wish to continue (with the air freshener) and cover it up again or if you wish to trap and kill the relationship ultimately its up to you i would like to think you have the strength to rise above the situation deal with it openly and take the fallout but of course i have no idea who you are or what your like or what you want out of life this is mumsnet after all!!

good luck either way you will need it and remember you need to make a decision you can live with for the rest of your life not for the rest of his

cheekybarsteward · 14/09/2012 16:39

Interesting analogy, I like that.

ParanoidPrue · 14/09/2012 17:33

Really interesting post Deakymum thank you - lots of food for thought there particularly your comment that I should think about Smilewhat I want out of my life rather than what he wants.

Well tonight brought its own answers when H arrived home with a torrent of abuse with such gems as I'm ugly, I'm twisted (my mother also), I need professional help all interspersed with swearing in front of our 3 year old. After I asked him to stop verbally abuse me I was told to Piss off, pack your bags and leave now, fuck off and shut the fuck off. It was only after I said This is my home and I do not deserve to be verbally abused he stopped. It was as if a lightbulb went off, he said sorry, patted my back and has been nice as pie ever since.

Talk about a headfuck. The old me would have been relieved it stopped after 5 minutes not 5 hours but the new me is resolved that 5 minutes is 5 minutes too long Sad

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wellwisher · 14/09/2012 18:15

WTF? What triggered that? Poor you Sad

ParanoidPrue · 14/09/2012 18:58

I have no idea wellwisher - I guess the various convos today re condom. Apology didn't last long - he's at it again this to me because I suggested we spend time separately with the kids so they don't see any conflict. My fault I think for engaging with him after he apologised.

It'll happen on and off all weekend unless I take a step back somehow - tips gratefully received. I'm a terrible one for repeatedly trying to "clear the air" until I'm practically hysterical from all the verbal stuff that he finally gives in. Will just have to grin and bear it until my parents return next Sunday ...

Apologies for the fact that I appear to have turned this thread into my personal journal Blush. I'm pretty sure that's a clear misuse of AIBU but it's a real lifeline today.

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wellwisher · 14/09/2012 19:02

God, what an arse he is. Can you avoid him until your dad gets back? Go out all day with some/all of the DCs?

ParanoidPrue · 14/09/2012 19:08

I will try. Problem is that he is never reliable in terms if plans and if I need him to be in one or more of the dc then he will inevitably make himself in available. Last Sat I was ready to go swimming with the eldest and was going to wait til youngest went for nap. He disappeared just before nap time and turned up just as I'd put them to sleep. Then he did loud DIY upstairs and woke them up so I couldn't go out. Apparently I'm totally twisted saying he did it in purpose.

I honestly just feel so panicky at the thought of being stuck with him all weekend. Amy ideas of cheap/free things I can do with 1,3 and 7 year old? So far I just have Park!!

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ParanoidPrue · 14/09/2012 19:09

God sorry for awful spelling am typing on my phone with fat fingers Blush

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wellwisher · 14/09/2012 19:24

Swimming? visit friends/family?

ParanoidPrue · 14/09/2012 19:35

Can't do swimming with 2 under 5s in my local pool. Don't really have a drop on relationship with any friends or family. Bit of a hermit these days with 3 - bit of an onslaught for any off the cuff visits!

Thank you for talking me down wellwisher Smile I'm ok I think and bedtime craziness will keep me sorted for tonight at least!

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Nanny0gg · 14/09/2012 21:21

PP - ask MN to move this to relationships - you'll get lots more advice and help on there and you can certainly feel free to use this to vent or as a diary or whatever you like.

Nanny0gg · 14/09/2012 21:22

And the weather appears to be okay - could you go for a picnic this weekend?