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to feel just a tiny bit of sympathy for some of these blokes?

215 replies

extremepie · 09/12/2011 16:17

I was reading a magazine the other day which had an article where one of the writers had gone on to a 'dating' site and asked for a 'date' to her work Christmas party.

She got lots of responses, most of which from married or attached men - 12 of these were featured in the article alongside the mens' names and pictures (although these could have been false), along with the response they wrote.

Now, some of the guys sounded like complete a*holes, with messages along the lines of 'my wife is really boring in bed' and 'I want some excitement' or 'I don't get it often enough - obviously this is not on.
Some of the other guys, however, I felt just a little bit sorry for.

One was 30, and his wife had had their son over a year before and they had not had sex since. He also said he was not interested in leaving his wife but just wanted someone to pay attention to him.

Another was in his 50's and said he and his wife had not been intimate in years.

Basically I just felt a little bit bad for these men - ok some people don't have matching sex drives and especially after having a baby you might be tired and have less time on your hands but to completely deny your partner any sort of attention or intimacy is a bit unfair?

Shouldn't there be some form of compromise in a committed relationship rather than 'well I don't feel like it and its just tough if you do, it's not happening'?

It's not just the sex it's everything that goes with it!

AIBU to think that these mens' actions, while definately not to be condoned, is at least understandable given the lack of attention and intimacy they get at home?

OP posts:
WhoopsyLa · 11/12/2011 22:19

BUt why did the person who did it because she loved him feel that her love had to be demonstrated like that? What did se fear if she did not have sex with him? That he'd leave her? Be unfaithful? If so then that's sex through fear....which equals what?

There's no grey area...if a person has sex when they do no want to...and they are doing it through fear of something...violence...being hurt emotionally...then it's rape.

Not all rape appears violent.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 11/12/2011 22:24

Who said I feared anything, WhoopsyLa? I know, as I have already said, that my dh will not be unfaithful to me, even if we don't have sex for ages. He has never been violent towards me, and I trust that he is not going to have a total personality change and become violent. I know he's not going to leave me - if he was going to leave, he'd have done it ages ago, as I've been much worse than I am now, with regards to the depression and its myriad effects on my life and my family.

So no fear. I am not having sex with my dh because I am afraid of the consequences if I don't. I hope that that is clear enough.

StewieGriffinsMom · 11/12/2011 22:29

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WhoopsyLa · 11/12/2011 22:29

Well there you are then....you're not....

WhoopsyLa · 11/12/2011 22:30

x post with StewieGriffinsMom...

fuzzynavel · 11/12/2011 22:33

sex is sometimes an affirmation of feelings.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 11/12/2011 22:36

SGM - I know my dh, and I think he is pretty kind and considerate, and I do not consider that he is raping me when I have sex with him, even though it's not something I really enjoy. I love him, and so I am happy to do this for him.

And I'm not doing it because of his needs as a man, but because of his needs as a person. I'm certainly not thinking that because he's a man, he must have regular sex otherwise his penis will drop off - I'm thinking that here is a man who has stuck by me through some very tough times, carried on loving me despite me not being particularly lovable, and who has accepted with equanimity the many, many occasions when I have said no to sex. And I am thinking that here is the person I love, and who needs affection from me - which is sometimes expressed through sex (and often expressed other ways). I see it as a gift from me to him. But you will probably despise me as much as Whoopsy does.

It's not all roses all the time - sometimes we fall out about it, and I hate that, but so does he. But as time goes by, and as I get emotionally stronger, it becomes easier to talk about it, and that is a good thing.

fuzzynavel · 11/12/2011 22:38

I never said that men were sex starved beasts I said that their perception of sex is different.

However, it can be used in a very powerful way, as money can where men are concerned.

In a loving relationship, a woman also has a right to have sex with her partner to tell him that she still loves him but is somehow not connecting.

fuzzynavel · 11/12/2011 22:41

OK, round and round we go about the sex issue, SGDT whats really the matter?

WhoopsyLa · 11/12/2011 22:42

Wolef I don't even know you...how could I despise you? Stop using emotive language to garner pity. I don't despise ANYONE...I'm not about hate.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 11/12/2011 22:42

Huh?

WhoopsyLa · 11/12/2011 22:43

I do think there's something inherently wrong about "gifting" sex to someone though.

WhoopsyLa · 11/12/2011 22:44

Huh what?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 11/12/2011 22:45

I used the word gift to imply freely given, Whoopsy - rather than the sex being something that is forced on me or taken without my consent.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 11/12/2011 22:47

I am pretty sure you have a low opinion of me, Whoopsy - it's come over to me pretty clearly throughout this thread - if you say it doesn't reach the level of despising me, I accept that.

And the huh question was to fuzzynavel - I don't get why she's asking me what's wrong.

fuzzynavel · 11/12/2011 22:49

Whoopsy, I certainly like you a lot. You are very forthright and honest, which is a fabulous quality, however i also read a lot of hurt and I want to give you a very un mumsnet hug.

WhoopsyLa · 11/12/2011 22:51

But sex isn't something that you "give" ...at least not in my book! It's experienced...equally by both parties. "Giving" sex implies that women are in possesion of Pandoras bloody box and not a simple vagina!

fuzzynavel · 11/12/2011 22:52

SDTG I was asking what's wrong because I don't like to think you are depressed thats all...

WhoopsyLa · 11/12/2011 22:52

Fuzzy....why do you think everyone's hurt? Confused I'm not hurt.

fuzzynavel · 11/12/2011 22:53

Ok, not hurt but depressed.

WhoopsyLa · 11/12/2011 22:53

And I dont' have a low opinion of you wolef not at all.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 11/12/2011 22:53

Well, your book and mine must be different, Whoopsy. Different, not right or wrong. And I don't consider myself to be in possession of pandora's box - wasn't that full of all the troubles of the world? I do have a simple vagina - I know that - and I use it to give pleasure to dh. You can give pleasure, I believe.

WhoopsyLa · 11/12/2011 22:54

Nope Fuzzy not me.

fuzzynavel · 11/12/2011 22:58

I apologise whoopsy, I read your anger wrongly...

WhoopsyLa · 11/12/2011 23:00

Of course you can wolef....I just can't understand doing it if it made me uncomfortable at all. That's about the sum of it. I won't make myself physically uncomfortable...or mentally...in order to make someone else happy.

But we'll have to agree to disagree won't we.

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