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To be annoyed by my sisters talk of sorting out my sons behaviour?

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twinklingfairy · 14/06/2011 13:21

I have a 2.5 yr old son who is a wee monkey who is in a habit of saying no, then stepping forward to do what he just said he wouldn't.
When he is on the loo or wants to be naughty he says 'you go find granny/sister or daddy'

Sis tries to assert her authority over my children everytime she sees them, has done the same with DB girls too. To the point of ruining the enjoyment of dinner for them but being either unaware or unconcerned.

On Sunday she decided that my DS ought to tidy up the CDs that he scatters around Granny's music room everytime we go there to play (we normally tidy up when we leave)
She decided to tell him to do it just because she wanted him to. To which he replied No.
So she told him again, same response, so she tried threatening tones, he told her no, go find granny.
She then gives up realising that it was a pointless battle of wills she was only going to lose and anyway, was it that important? Not really.

So she comes through to me, with her smile, to tell me about what he had done (refusing to do as he was told) and that he had been cheeky to her.
She said that she would have had him on the naughty step for that and that his cheekiness would just not be accepted in her house.
I then end up in an hour long discussion with her over discipline styles during which she tells me she would have a stronger hand, that I have always been soft on my boy (much harder on my older girl), that if she had him for a week she would have him sorted out and that he will get bad reports in school for his cheek.
I said I preferred to think of his cheeky nature as a developing personality that I believe will be pleasant not rude.
And that, when she has children, she will not be saying what she is now and that if she does try to have a firmer hand, her children will be frightened to move for fear of a row. No one could keep up the level of intensity that she intends to have.

My boy will do as he is told (for the most part), he is not rude to strangers and if he is, come on he is 2!
If he doesn't you can normally do the 1, do that, 2 do that 3.... and he will do that for fear of the naughty step which I use regularly. As regularly as I feel in necessary.
Yes I probably am softer on him, but he is a different boy who would scream for hours if he felt inclined. There is only so far you can push it before he ends up spending all day on the step. So I pick my fights.

Arg, see, I am defending myself already!

OP posts:
naturalbaby · 14/06/2011 16:04

the child is 2. the op disciplines him when she needs to - she uses the naughty step. the aunt was being unreasonable by expecting the 2yr old to stop doing something he was allowed to do - she had no reason to tell him to stop playing with cd's set aside for him to play with or tidy them up while he was playing with them.

he's 2, not 6. he said no to his aunt, rightly so, because she was being rediculous.how does that mean he or the op are going to expect his future teachers to run rings round them obeying their every command and whim. it does not mean he has no respect for other adults. he stood up for himself, good on him. there's obviously a fine line between standing up for yourself and having no respect for adults. but he is 2yrs old, plenty of time yet to educate him in the fine art of obeying figures of authority. but adults can be wrong too!

the op's point that the sister should follow her parenting style is a good one - she obviously knows her child best and knows what works (count to 3) and what doesn't (do as i say because i say so).

TidyDancer · 14/06/2011 16:04

Then talk to your sister, OP. Find something that is acceptable to both of you.

You sound like you really dislike your sister, so perhaps you two could go out on your own and enjoy each other's company before tackling your DS's behaviour with her.

I'll say again though, you think your DS is just being cheekly, other people may not (and it seem do not) think that is as cute as you do.

msbuggywinkle · 14/06/2011 16:05

I will never understand why some adults expect unquestioning obedience from children.

twinklingfairy · 14/06/2011 16:05

I am not the one harping on about the cdsShock

And you are right, seeing that again does look shocking dogs.

Jjou put it better.
Had sis explained that it was tidy up time and time to go home, DS normally falls over himself to put his 'toys' in their basket.

This was random.
And he is being condemnedHmm

OP posts:
Hullygully · 14/06/2011 16:06

And why, tidy dancer et al, assume that the sister is an objective and reasonable person? Why? She was bored and told a child in the middle of playing what he is allowed to play and always does, to tidy up. How does that make her objective and reasonable?

TidyDancer · 14/06/2011 16:07

He's not being condemned, OP. Really, he isn't.

I think you need to (calmly) talk to your sister.

Hullygully · 14/06/2011 16:07

don't worry twinkling, I honestly think that some people WANT to think the worst of children, it makes them happy.

Oh, just like your sister.

ohnororo · 14/06/2011 16:08

Erm, she sounds annoyed with her sister, not that she doesn't like her. What a strange conclusion to leap to..

PinotGrigiosKittens · 14/06/2011 16:08

A 2.5 y/o is not "little more than a baby". They're old enough for preschool where there are rules and boundaries etc etc. I worked at a preschool and there were only ever one or two kids that age who were pita's as their parents had let them run riot and misbehave. They soon followed our lead and were better behaved children as a result.

No kids are perfect and no-one is saying they are (despite some of you wailing this point), but manners should be taught from an early age. I think your sister has a point. 2.5y/o is plenty old enough to listen to an alternate adult and do as you're told.

TidyDancer · 14/06/2011 16:08

Hully, why assume she is a cold hearted bitter bitch? The OP thinks she was bored and picked on her DS, that doesn't mean she actually did. It's just an opinion.

blackeyedsusan · 14/06/2011 16:09

so, they are cheap cd's that granny has provided in grannys house and neither you or granny have a problem with it. in which case it is non of your sisters business. iam assuming you would not have a problem with sis saying no if he was about to trash the expensive do not touch cds? (but she wouldn't need to because you do that anyway)

telling your child to eat up is not helpful... do some researchon eating disorders in children and then tell her research shows that... wind out of sails?

TidyDancer · 14/06/2011 16:09

No strange at all ohnororo, since she thinks her sister is bored and picks on her children and disciplines them for no reason, it's a completely reasonable conclusion.

It would be a sad thing if you were to let this escalate, just talk to your sister OP.

Hullygully · 14/06/2011 16:10

How does:

And why, tidy dancer et al, assume that the sister is an objective and reasonable person? Why? She was bored and told a child in the middle of playing what he is allowed to play and always does, to tidy up. How does that make her objective and reasonable?

That, become:

Hully, why assume she is a cold hearted bitter bitch?

Jumping to conclusions again, hmm?

Hullygully · 14/06/2011 16:11

No matter what it is you're told? Just do it?

Robot kids. Bring em on.

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 14/06/2011 16:12

Haven't read all replies, but your DS sounds like an average, PITA 2 year old to me. And other people leaping in to criticise your parenting is always going to make you defensive. Smile sweetly, and know that one day, when her own toddler DC are spreading carnage about the earth, you can smugly say 'I told you so'.

TidyDancer · 14/06/2011 16:13

Nope, sorry, Hully. :) The sister has been rounded on by some people on here. It would be a huge shame for this to become a bigger issue than it needs to be.

Not to mention that you were the one who jumped to the conclusion that the child was being labelled a sociopath....

ohnororo · 14/06/2011 16:13

I really don't think it is. I adore my sister and I did the same to her out of well intended ignorance mixed with a little self righteous judgement. She was pissed off. But I don't think she disliked me! We all act like an asshole every now and then.

PinotGrigiosKittens · 14/06/2011 16:13

Hully you can not seriously think it makes people happy to want to think the worst of children? What the jeff? That is so rude. And foaming.

ChristinaEliopolis · 14/06/2011 16:14

It was a little over-optimistic to randomly tell a him to pick up his toys - I am quite strict with all mine but wouldn't expect instant obedience from a two year old.

Actually, my youngest is two and would have argued for a good couple of minutes and then resorted to charm if that didn't work Wink

First rule of parenting 'Pick your battles'.

Hullygully · 14/06/2011 16:14

Have you never met any, Pinot?

How fortunate you are.

WriterofDreams · 14/06/2011 16:15

Gosh I'm really surprised at the length of this thread! To me the incident you describe twinkling is incredibly minor - your son was playing happily with a toy he is always allowed to play with, sister said to tidy up for no good reason, he being 2 years of age quite understandably said no and then got confused about what was going on, sis realised the poor boy was going to get upset and so left it but then saw an opportunity to beat you over the head and promptly took her chance. So the actual incident, which everyone seems to be harping on about, is really not an issue. The problem is your sister who seems to be quite bitter and critical. Do you have a good relationship with her generally? Do you think she might be jealous of you?

The reason I ask these questions is because I can see my sister being exactly the same in years to come. DS is only 5 months now but my sister already comments on my parenting (despite having no kids herself) and I know she just does it because 1)she's a bitch and 2) she is resentful of the fact that she doesn't have kids herself. I know in the future I'm going to get the same sort of lectures about how I discipline DS. If I'm strict she'll say I'm too strict and if I'm relaxed she'll say I'm too relaxed. When she was visiting a few months ago she said I was a "hippy parent" and I "couldn't give a shit." Why? Because I put DS in his swing (where he was quite happy) while I ate my dinner. I can look forward to plenty of the same in future.

It's clear that what she's saying is getting to you. Why? Is it because you want her approval or do you think there's some truth in what she says? If it's the former then give that up, you're not going to get any understanding out of her. If it's the latter then look at what you can change and do it and then try to feel confident in your parenting. You're doing your level best and there will always be people out to criticise. Your sister won't be the last unfortunately.

TidyDancer · 14/06/2011 16:15

Btw, for the sake of clarity, I used that turn of phrase for clarification, not to put words in your mouth Hully. I'm so sorry you took it the wrong way. It was to emphasise how things can be seen differently, I can only assume that's also what you meant with the sociopath comment.

LtEveDallas · 14/06/2011 16:15

I disagree with Pinot. A 2.5 yr old IS little more than a baby. This child is not being allowed to run riot and misbehave - he was quietly playing his game, bothering no-one when sis decided he needed to stop. Why? Why was it important for him to stop right there and then? Did sis want to play the CDs? Did Granny want him to tidy up? No? I dont blame him for not stopping in that case.

Seems to me like sis was spoiling for a fight - and got one. Pity her boundries weren't set early huh?

(oh and I've always wanted to say this, and now I can - I agree with Hully Smile)

Hullygully · 14/06/2011 16:16

I have to go, twinkling, I think the best advice is one my friend gave me when my dc were small. Just smile, say Righty-ho lovely, and leave the sisters and her ilk to it.

Hullygully · 14/06/2011 16:17