about fanfiction that features child abuse? Not very nice, sorry

[littlepigshavebigears]

I have a bit of an addiction for Harry Potter fanfic stories of the non-slash variety

I like potionsandsnitches.com especially but sometimes I venture out into the big wide world of fanfiction

and I have wondered for a while about stories which are adult rated and refer to "non-con" or "chan" sexual relationships between adults and underaged kids (HP and his friends, usually)

shurely these stories are illegal? You can't just write lurid fantasies about child abuse and rape and post them on the net, can you?

And if it isn't illegal, well it bloody well should be

im sorry you have lost me i dont understand. how is harry potter child adult sex stories?

sorry knittedbreast I am on about fanfiction - where fans of the original stories write their own stories usaing the characters and some of the plotlines

there are some fantastic ones

I am also rather lost...... What??

its ok,littlepig,i know what you mean!!

doubt its legal......strange world we live in tho!!

I presume 'non con' is non consensual?

I guess you cannot stop people from writing about rape fantasies.

I wouldn't be seeking out fanfiction if it's filled with child rape.

Not sure of the legalities of it but it sounds vile.

It's a toughie. Because they have to put the disclaimers say if it's 16yo Harry and a 19yo Fleur for example but that's not abusive.

And things like dub con and non con can be plot devices and not a celebration of the subject matter iyswim. It's not making a fetish of abuse and/or rape. Not anything I read anyway. I browsed through literotica once from a link on here and that does celebrate the things you describe as a fetish. Which I find abhorrent but understand it as a fetish nonetheless. I'm not sure what I think about it tbh.

I write fanfic and I think it's oft misunderstood from the warnings.

There was a big hooha about this a couple of years ago - I think it's difficult to talk about the legalities of posting stuff like this when sites spread across international borders. I'll see if I can find you some links...

And what SoH says too.

hmm well ive never heard of this (theres alot i havent heard of!)

you shouldnt be allowed to write stories about sex between adults and children and def not make any cash out of it or be able to share it.

I've never heard of it either, but agree totally with knittedbreast. I would hate for DD to stumble across something like that, she is totally smitten with HP.

You're unlikely to stumble across it tbh. And that's why the warnings exist in the first place, in order to make a decision. They will also have warnings flashing up to say they're for adults only.

I'm surprised you find time to be online. Why aren't you sitting staring open-mouthed at MrDmitri?

First of all I sympathize with your addiction because I'm also obsessed with HP fan fiction. Some people do write the vilest things though ad just down right weird. I'm sure it could really be legal as such but I don't really know.

Also as far as I know Knittedbreast they don't make money out of it. These sites are for budding writers who have an interest in HP and such.

littlepigs - are you the reason LiveJournal shut down all the Harry Potter slash sites? (The people sponsoring the website decided that fanfiction where some of the parties were underage was illegal, despite the fact that it's all fictional.)

Writing fiction about fictional people doing fictional things - including sexual things - is not illegal, no. But you'll be hard-pressed to find a website who'll accept non-consensual fiction on there, because the sponsors will become angry. [shrug]

no helen, I am not - Ijust like non-slash stories

but had I the opportunity to shut down anyone writing about child abuse for entertainment, I would do so in a heartbeat, so you can hate me if you want

I am sure it cannot be legal, can it?

I read a Harry Potter/Merlin crossover a while ago. It was inspired. Never otherwise read any HP.

Fan fiction is usually fairly heavily categorised IME although I haven't really read any HP ff. Usually you know before you read it what the general direction of it is. Are you saying there is stuff out there which doesn't carry a warning?

The other thing is who is it written by? For example a teenager writing ff may not think of being a bit underage as anything special. I am not condoning it just to be clear. But a 14 or 15 year old writing fiction may not consider an 18 year old and a 15 year old having sex as child abuse. Need to know what you mean really.

kreecher - most responsible sites that host adult orientated fanfiction (ie slash or anything of that nature) will have age filters on them, so unless your DD registers with an incorrect birthdate or clicks that she's over 18 when she's not, then she shouldn't see anything.

Okay, Live Journal (blog site that hosts a huge panfandom network of fan fiction of all varieties uses the US definition of child pornography , which seems to refer more to pictures rather than written media.

knitted - you don't make cash out of fanfiction

I don't see any reason why it would be illegal or why it should be illegal (from the child/sex angle rather than any copyright infringments)

It's legal as much as any fanfiction is legal. It's technically a violation of copyright to write any fanfiction.

Not that that stops me or many others from doing it.

And if you think about it, wasn't Harry Potter an abused child who was forced to live in the cupboard under the stairs and work like a slave for his aunt and uncle? My favourite fanfiction stories always have Harry confronting Dumbledore for dropping him off and never checking to see how he was treated by the Dursleys.

you can come across the horrible stuff without going through an age filter (as I have never clicked on an age filter, not wanting to read that stuff)

the descriptions usually include warnings of what the content is and a rating, so you CAN avoid actually reading it - but for me, just knowing that there are stories available - lots of them - which feature sex with minors, violent abuse of children, "non-con" which means rape, etc - I don't think it should be there at all

SoH -

Gwendolinemarylacey - I know that my fandom has writers aged between 14 and at least early 50's (and that's ages I actually know, hope there isn't younger but there's probably older) I don't know who writes what, but we're pretty hot on warnings and rating fic. No one should be accidentally stumbling across anything, it should all be clearly marked.

That's a good point actually Tee. Many fanfic sites have been closed down at the author's request as they don't like their work being messed with and they are technically right to do so. It always opens up elsewhere though :o

Gwendolinemarylacey - just wanted to say that I love your name! I always pretended to be carlotta the wild girl from the circus family when I was growing up!

[sorry for interrupting the thread!]

But for example, imagine that somebody had written a HP story where Draco was the way he was because his father had been abusive towards him as a child. And it takes a relationship with Hermione for example for him to start getting over that. It's a valid story, an interesting premise and not a celebration of child abuse. But the story would have to have a non con warning because of the fact it's mentioned, even if very, very briefly. It isn't necessarily an indication of a perverted mind/story when you see the warning.

I know the sort of stuff you're alluding to exists, of course it does, but I think if you're going to rail against it, you have to understand it. Dub con has to be used if there's any hint whatsoever of lack of explicit consent. So two people under a spell for example, even if they'd otherwise be at it like rabbits in the Gryffindor common room, have to be described as dub con as they've had their minds altered by a plot device. The guidelines on well known sites are very strict and the mods are on the ball.