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Would you be happy for your DC to marry other race/culture?

219 replies

sundayrose10 · 17/02/2011 01:04

Just honest answers please. Ta

OP posts:
nurseblade · 17/02/2011 06:21

The only thing I might struggle with would be if she wanted to marry a gypsy - not because I have anything against gypsies myself. I just feel that they are the only group that still face very blatant discrimination and I wouldn't want her life made harder by it. (not saying that all other racism has been illuminated but most is more covert these days)

nurseblade · 17/02/2011 06:25

Eliminated iPhone error!

LadyOfTheManor · 17/02/2011 06:35

Yeah the whole African American thing really bothers me, white South Africans aren't called "African American" when living in the States which shows that it is racial label rather than a state of nationality (which is what it actually is).

Oh and for whoever said being "Jewish" is a race. It isn't. Israeli is a nationality, being a Jew is a branch of religion.

TyraG · 17/02/2011 06:47

Of course a South African (white or not) would not be called an African American while living in the States. They're NOT American. If a white person was born of South African parents in the States, then yes they could insist on being called African American if they wished.

LadyOfTheManor · 17/02/2011 06:49

Well if they were of African parents they would be, and unless the "thought police" went around asking everyone if they were South African, yet white, we'll never know. Or is it just "easier" to call black americans (or should that be Negro? What is the PC term these days?) Africans, even if they're from the West Indies?

nooka · 17/02/2011 06:55

The only thing to bear in mind about the States is that there are lots of other groups that use various hyphenations - when we lived in NYC we knew lots of people who referred to themselves that way (often when the connection was very tenuous - Irish Americans with one great-grandparent from Ireland etc).

But we also came across some very blatant racism too.

goingroundthebend4 · 17/02/2011 06:59

.Erm I could hardly object.Looks at children Grin

So in a word No .Long as they love and care for them can be any relgion, colour culture they like but may draw the line at littel green men from the moon

LadyOfTheManor · 17/02/2011 07:00

It's funny because they could have been black "Irish Americans". But not called so, because they were white.

I haven't seen too much labelling in the UK, we don't say Anglo-Irish or Anglo-Portuguese...

LadyOfTheManor · 17/02/2011 07:01

goinground Followers of Scientology are out then?

Mummalish · 17/02/2011 07:04

As long as my dc was truly happy, then he could embrace any religion or culture he chooses. I would embrace it too.

But it would have to be his choice completely, and he would have to be 100% happy. Then I'm happy!

TyraG · 17/02/2011 07:06

LOTM Perhaps you're not understanding me. If you are not born in the States you are NOT an American. You can become a Naturalized US Citizen, but this comes after being a Legal Resident (green card) for 5 years.

Some Black Americans prefer to be called African Americans to acknowledge their African heritage, some don't care. Just know that if you ever go to the States and call an African American a Negro you will most likely get the living shit beat out of you, some people consider it just this side of using the N word.

TyraG · 17/02/2011 07:07

Oh and to answer the OP's question. As long as my DC's are in a happy healthy relationship then what more could I hope for them?

LadyOfTheManor · 17/02/2011 07:09

Negro is the dictionary definition, and as I don't call Asian people "Yellow" I sit on the fence with that.

If an "Irish American" is born in America, then surely they're just American?

If they have black Irish grandparents, and were born in America, what would they be called then?

MrsSchadenfreude · 17/02/2011 07:09

LOTM - Jews are considered to be a minority ethnic group in UK. Attacks on Jews/Jewish institutions are considered to be racist attacks.

Not all Jews are Israeli (obviously) and not all Israelis are Jews.

MmeLindt · 17/02/2011 07:09

Great thread. I love the discussion about race side by side with the klingon/vulcan chat.

As answer to OP:

Having personal experience of marrying someone from another culture (albeit a very similar one to my own) I would not have a problem with my children doing so. I would hope that I had brought them up to fully realise the challenges and problems that may occur, and the tolerance to work around these.

LadyOfTheManor · 17/02/2011 07:09

How bizarre, how can a religion be an "ethnic group"?

exoticfruits · 17/02/2011 07:10

It is entirely up to them, I would hope to like and get on with the partner and would assume that I can trust their judgement.

MmeLindt · 17/02/2011 07:10

MrsSchadenfreude
Attacks on Jews would be acts of anti-semitic, not racist attacks, would they not?

TyraG · 17/02/2011 07:13

LOTM Okay so go to the states and call someone a Negro then report back and tell us what happened.

LadyOfTheManor · 17/02/2011 07:15

Why the hostility? I'd rather not call anyone by their race if it's all the same to you.

Maybe you should write a letter to the OUP and complain;

"a member of a race of humankind native to Africa and classified according to physical features (as dark skin pigmentation). ? Negro adjective"

NickyNackyNooNoo · 17/02/2011 07:18

As long as they were happy I couldn't give a flying who'd they marry! Of course I am bringing them up to make the best choices in life, whatever they might be :)

MrsSchadenfreude · 17/02/2011 07:18

But is that not a racist attack - an attack by anti-semites (although the Arabs are a semitic race too, I believe). You wouldn't say an anti-black or anti-Asian attack.

LadyOfTheManor · 17/02/2011 07:20

Yet an anti-Muslim attack is called a war on "terrorism". Go figure.

MrsSchadenfreude · 17/02/2011 07:23

What anti-Muslim attack? Are you talking about Afghanistan and Operation Enduring Freedom and ISAF?

MarioandLuigi · 17/02/2011 07:23

Yes, I dont think it would ever actually occur to me to care. As long as my DC was happy.

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