To be shocked on the way the girls are dressed on My big fat Gypsie Wedding

[pigletmania]

I understand that the Gypsie/travelling community have very high morals, why the hell are the little girls dressed like mini lolitas . Flesh everywhere, and dressed in a sexual manner. Its fine for the adults if they want to dress like that and wear those big wedding dresses, but not kids. They are just little girls.

Bubblewrapped-. The national dress of chavland uk

Trois I am not talking about the adults, but the children. They are still children whether they are traveller or not. Surely there should be a certain no nos of dress that apply to all children.

Sorry little prepubesent girls in bra tops and hotpants and heels just does not look right.

And not wearing any clothes couldn't be considered sexual?! It's us who attach meaning to what they are wearing - their parents seemed quite indifferent to it and that tells me it's a cultural norm. Who are we to judge?

Booandpops - what an ill thought out comment.

troisgarcons - i understand all you say, and admire the girls' principles and we do need more of that in society generally.

But, the men don't think like that do they, they drink, and see it as ok to lunge at women they like, and expect them to comply (and some of the girls don't like it).

Then, when they do marry, the girl/woman/wife is expected to keep the home and not do much else, apar from raise the babies and get them married off by sixteen.

In western culture yes that type of attire does have certain connotations. And they are in western culture so yes people will judge

trois, you seem very hung up on the idea of illegitimate children.

My ds is "illegitimate" doesn't make me a whore. Neither does having sexual partners without marriage.

You sound extraordinary.

Getting married at 16 to someone I've met twice is not my idea of a perfect marriage. Neither is being denied an education and the opportunity to explore the world.

"no man wants second hand goods". Nice! Why worry about male sexist behaviour when women can do it for themselves - you fool!

Do you judge other groups based on their attire Piglet? These groups who reside 'in western culture', whatever that means.

And it might not 'look right' to us Piglet but so what?

I have noticed some very old fashioned sexist comments on here. Yes in the traveller community they dont have sex before marriage, but then they get married at 16, past 17 you are considered old to get married. Whats this about the grabbing ritual, not very respectful towards the women. The men dont give a good improession really.

YANBU.

Wear whatever you want on your wedding day. If you're old enough to get married, old enough to wear one of those creations.

At 8, there is no fucking way they should be dressed like little hookers. Bra tops and hot pant and heels. All designed to emphasise a woman's body

And the dancing? You have got to be fucking joking?

Would you let your daughter do that shit? I think not.

Whats that got to do with it allatsea. I am commenting on the clothes worn by the little girls not making this a racism thread. When it concerns little children yes i am judgmental i am afraid.

I have not seen children in other cultures in the uk dressed in that way.

But why? They aren't parading the streets unaccompanied - they are in the privacy of their own homes and setting. And they were all little girls together, with their mothers and grandmothers watching over them. What's the problem?

Travlers have ALWAYS dressed in a style which others deem "gaudy"...100 years ago it would have been red dresses or other brightly printed ones...lots of beads etc...this is just todays version of that.

No because it's specific to them! Not my taste, not your taste, their taste.

Err. They were dancing sexually and provocatively?

What 8 yo should be bouncing her booty like that?

Sorry we should agree to disagree. Those clothes are designed to be sexual, and you dont know there could be men around, but the camera did not capture them. I dont think that there is a no men rule.

Exactly Wimple!

I think it's the little ones who are dressing like their older sisters- the ones who are 'marketing' themselves to boys

fwiw, my grandma married out of travelling (Romany) and she would be horrified if I so much as showed my cleavage

Because Allatsea, by the time they are 10 or 11, which is STILL little girls, they are wearing those clothes and doing those dances in pubs, and at parties, and in public.

Its degrading.

Gaudy - all good

Specific to culture - all good

Bra tops, hot pants, and 3 inch heels at 8...erm. Oh, I forgot about the whole pelvis thrusting dancing

If you met a non traveller child who came to a party dressed like that, please don't tell me you wouldn't judge? And then who started dancing like that? Because you would. And rightfully so.

There weren't any men there but even so - are men all child abusers?! I think not. Definitely agree to disagree.