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Toxic MIL or am I overreacting? If the former, how to get rid or limit access?

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figcake · 18/11/2010 14:53

Not a regular but I would really appreciate some good advice. I have been in a bad state for a few days, suffered insomnia all night last night so I am absolutely exhausted and really need to get things straight in my mind.

This is dh's computer and he works from home though is not around atm so I might not be able to post replies as regulary as I would like so please bear with me.

History is that dh and I have been together for around 13 years since I was in my early 20s. MIL always disapproved of me and felt suspicious of why I hooked up with her son because I am not from their (European) country even though I spoke the language reasonably well (having learnt it at school) and had visted there a few times prior to meeting dh. I was younger than dh/ educated to postgrad level/ had already bought my first flat at the time/ not really interested in her obsession with the Christian faith etc. whereas dh was a bit of a dreamer/ living at home with mum/ never earned more than min wage/ not academic etc. So basically very different backgrounds which meant that I was ok with making allowances for their odd attitude towards me.

Dh came to live with me at my home in the UK after we married and things were rocky for a few years (mainly due to his family interfering in every aspect of our lives from a distance and dh being too spineless to stand up to them also due to the fact that I was quite young and this was the first proper relationship either of us had been in) - his aunt even went so far as to ask him what contraception I was using. He left a few times and moved back with his mum found work back home etc but before dc1 was born moved back, found interesting work to do in the UK, showed commitment for the first time ever and we sorted out our differences and went on to have dc2 etc. and felt generally happy and positive.

My mil did occasionally stir things up from a distance via phonecalls to dh but the distance meant that she could not visit v often to do this face to face. She has been trying to persuade dh to bring only the dcs to see her abroad ever since dc1 was 2 weeks old and fully bf but dh basically fudged the issue.

She was invited to visit a few weeks ago and suddenly announced that she was bringing her other son with her who was always v critical of me and whom I would not have invited. He has never even sent the dcs birthday cards or ecards despite being v well-off with few commitments and a bimbo girlfriend whom he showers with useless expensive gifts of the knickers-perfume-chocolates variety all the time. However, in the interests of maintaining harmony and not wishing to deny the dcs the chance to know their uncle I agreed that they could both stay over.

DH and I felt that overall, things went well. I played the polite and interested DIL making teas, engaging in mind-numbing chit chat in their language (despite not wanting to as we practice one-parent-one-language). I talked to dcs in English as that is usual for us, they do not know DHs mother tongue. She understands next to no English.

On the first day they arrived, dh woke up late and needed to rush to meet their flight so we agreed to meet at a certain restaurant in London and I agreed to bring the dcs there at an agreed time, at my own expense. We got soaked in a downpour as our umbrella got jammed (not their fault I know but I did not have the option of returning home obv) and when we got there, we waited ages in our wet clothes but they did not show up so after an hour, we ate I took the dcs home in the dark. DHs mobile had been switched off and I would not have known their numbers as I dont really have much to do with them. I later found out that their flight had been delayed and mil cooly implied that we should have waited even longer. By the time they turned up at our house it was almost bedtime the dcs were pretty hyper after a full-on day and dcs started chucking his mecanno towards mil whist laughing and making his usual aeroplane noises. dh went onto the computer (in the other room as he had to print things for their posh restaurant reservation later that evening) and did not come out for an hour as he was playing soduku (sp?) and is generally unsociable. The discipling was left to me even though DH knows that I do not feel comfortable around them. I explaned to ds2 in English not to do that and showed him the right way to play using the usual positive parenting techniques. I went off to cook dcs supper as it was already too late. I was not in the room with them at the time to give them space to get to know the Dcs (they barely know them) . Obviously, once the time came to serve their dinner, I did try to divert their attention to get them to eat (they are fussy eaters who usually eat at around 4.30 rather than 6 and are def not used to evening visitors).

We traipsed around town with them for four days catering to their every whim and they never implied they were unhappy about anything.

Last week, MIL used DHs work email address (never usually does as we have a family address) to send this to him. He tried to keep it from me but I fell upon it on dc2s birthday. In translation:

Hi

I got back OK but I feel heavy hearted wrt your family situation. I actually needed several days to get my thoughts together to write this.

I know that you personally did everything that you possibly could to make sure that we had a good time.

DS presented himself well and seemed ready to learn a load of things but his mother seemed jealous of our presence and tried to butt in every time he wanted to interact with us - that is definitely the reason why he gets told off a lot at school. He needs to spend more time with other children of his age and you need to set that up as soon as possible. You both need to go out and start meeting other parents more and if Figcake can manage it, she should let him express himself and not anticipate every situation. I think that a short break (DH and DS) to visit FIL at Christmas will do him good

You all need to get out of the house more and meet people. I hope Figcake sees through her idea of taking up an activity - even though it wont be easy for her- in order to see how her current life has cut her off from reality.

She should try not to put on any more weight as it is not good for the heart and increases the risk of other cardiac conditions.

You need to finish all the works on your house as soon as possible and liquidate evrything that is no longer useful to DCs.

As always, we think you personally (i.e DH) are a great parent.

With love to you (i.e only dh). Mum

OP posts:
StealthPomBear · 18/11/2010 14:55

Bloody hell!
What a cow

Flisspaps · 18/11/2010 14:59

Dear MIL

Do fuck off.

Yours,

figcake x

ENormaSnob · 18/11/2010 15:01

What did dh reply?

She wouldn't be welcome in my house after that tbh.

ConfusedMUM75 · 18/11/2010 15:01

Is she Greek? No offence, but sounds like my ex MIL

Chil1234 · 18/11/2010 15:06

I think the 'toxicity' is that your MIL and DH are rather in on this together. She's being very forthright with her views and he has a track record of passively allowing her to say what she pleases and taking it all on board. As long as she thinks she can influence his behaviour she will carry on in the same vein. If he stood up to her and stood up for you, she would have no audience, no influence and would probably hold her tongue.

I think there's no point getting rid of mother if you carry on making excuses for the mummy's boy....

LaurieScaryCake · 18/11/2010 15:07

ignore it if you can, you'll not be seeing her again for a loooooooooong time.

Just don't invite her again.

She's awful.

BudaisintheZONE · 18/11/2010 15:10

Well your DH didn't help! How rude of him to go off and play on the computer when they had just arrived! Says a lot for HER parenting!

I would be livid for that and that he had his mobile switched off when he knew he was supposed to be meeting you.

ENormaSnob · 18/11/2010 15:14

Completely agree with chil1234.

minibmw2010 · 18/11/2010 15:16

Hmm, that's a horrible letter to find. And also I'm curious .. is she suggesting that trip at Christmas happen with you or without you? She doesn't exactly sound welcoming. What did your DH say to her, have you told him you've read this ???

TottWriter · 18/11/2010 15:18

Jesus. Whaddabitch.

I think, in your position I would no longer play the "at your service DIL" role after this.

Equally, however, you aren't painting a particularly great picture of your DH in all this either. I know no one's a saint and all that, but, knowing your MIL speaks almost no English, and that your DC only speak English right now, why didn't you haul his arse out of the study instead of letting him play sudoku while you played host to a woman he knows you are not comfortable with?

The whole them arrivng thing is disgusting. When they knew the plane would be late your DH should have manned up and told you to go home, then explained to his mother that children who have a routine cannot be expected to wait for their meal so that a grandparent gets to watch them eat. It' unfortunate that the plane was late, but not your DC's fault - why the hell should they have been forced to stay up past their bedtime when it isn't necessary?

Sorry, I'm not actually attacking you here. TBH, I have doormat issues a little, but I am learning now that if you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself. If you MIL is toxic, you need to limit the damage. If your DH is complicit in this, you need to get him onside. Possibly he doesn't realise how hurtful this is to you, and if not, you need to tell him. Out of interest, what was his response to the e-mail? Have you confronted him about it yet?

mamas12 · 18/11/2010 15:20

You also have a problem with the dh in my view.
Why don't you both compose an email back and tell him to send it.

taintedpaint · 18/11/2010 15:20

Well she would no longer be welcome in my house if she spoke/wrote like that! Did your DH show you the email or did you happen upon it? And do you think she may have said things like this before and your DH has hidden it?

Whatever the truth, it would be unlikely I'd ever invite her back. What an utter fucking bitch.

jessiealbright · 18/11/2010 15:22

Liquidating? Is she suggesting that he should be making preparations to leave you?

Squitten · 18/11/2010 15:30

I agree with others who have said you have a problem with a Mummy's Boy DH rather than a horrible MIL.

Your MIL can certainly hold her obnoxious opinions if she wants to but your DH should absolutely stand up to her and tell her that it's not ok and that you won't be having anything to do with them if she continues to act in this way.

Stern words are in order I think...

diddl · 18/11/2010 15:31

"I think there's no point getting rid of mother if you carry on making excuses for the mummy's boy...."

Well that´s it really, isn´t it?

TBH the fact that they were initially affecting your marriage from another country speaks volumes.

And re your son being told off yt school-husband needs to learn when to stop giving out information.

If she´s always told everything, no wonder she thinks that she can pass such comments.

booyhoo · 18/11/2010 15:33

holy fuck.

2 points

1)your MIL hates you and wants her son to leave you. that is obvious.

2)your DH has no respect for you if he didn't respond with utmost support and respect for as a partner and a mother. he needs to tell her to fuck the hell off and she would not be welcome in my house again if it were me.

perfumedlife · 18/11/2010 15:41

Mil is not the problem here. She is a bitch, of the hypocritical religeous variety. But she lives in another country.

Your dh is the problem though. He is married to you, not her. His loyalty is to you, not her. Or at least, it is in a healthy marriage.

He should have shown you the letter and the forthright reply he was going to send, telling her to Fuck off.

saffy85 · 18/11/2010 15:41

She's a bitch, but your DH has got to be on your side. Meaning he should have told you about this charming email and told you exactly how he was going to tell his mum to fuck right off back off and treat you all with respect that you deserve. He should then have emailed his mummy right back and read her the riot act. You shouldn't have to ask him.

If he didn't do that then you have serious problems imo. Your MIL is a toxic nasty bitch. Your DH is a major problem.

saffy85 · 18/11/2010 15:42

Great minds think alike perfumelife Smile

perfumedlife · 18/11/2010 15:44

I know Smile

Op, you really have a bigger problem than Mil here. Your children will absorb this disgusting lack of respect your husband is showing you. Is that how you want to raise them? Is any man worth that?

ISNT · 18/11/2010 15:45

Shock at DH going off and playing sudoku and leaving you and the kids with his family.

I mean the whole thing is awful, but that you had the power to do something about ie after 5 mins go and ask him what the hell he was doing out there and go and entertain his family.

What everyone else has said really.

diddl · 18/11/2010 15:49

TBH, I can´t believe that he didn´t reply back straight away saying FO you nasty old bitch & don´t ever darken our doorstep again.

I mean it´s an email-he doesn´t even have to face her.

What does he think will happen-she´ll never see him again?

Adversecamber · 18/11/2010 15:50

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

grapeandlemon · 18/11/2010 15:54

Why do you want to limit access? She lives abroad you said.

The situation with your DH is what you should be focussing on - she sounds annoying but for a few visits a year I would be able to grin and bear it IF my DH was supportive.

figcake · 18/11/2010 16:01

Thanks so much for reading my too-long post - loads of useful points in your replies. I agree that DH is completely spineless - I don't think that he can change or help it and he has some good qualities (loving father, takes us out regularly to nice places, does not criticise my parenting). Saying that, even though we are both based at home, other than coming out with us, he has only ever interacted with the dcs for about 0.5hr a day and I have always done everything else imaginable. He keeps saying that the email was to him and that I was not meant to read it and also that this is how she has chosen to communicate with him in order to share her thoughts.

I really don't want to visit their country at Christmas but DH says that I cannot get out of it as FIL (divorced from MIL but still regularly briefed on these issues) bought the tickets as a present and really wants to see DS and other DC as he has had health problems that could arise again (nothing terminal or active). I wanted to talk to FIL about it but DH wont provide his contact details and I am pretty bad at writing in his language - I could manage something like 'here is a copy of MIL's email. Please call so we can discuss it's implications' - but DH is really going to pile on the pressure. I was really looking forward to visiting them abroad but I am completely dreading it now and even have doubts about their motives. It will be for over a week so a long time to gather info upon which basis to later have a bitch-fest about me.

My parents said that I am not firm and mature enough because I cried about it a few times but I am not sure how to put boundries up without dhs support.

I have had a truly miserable few days but DH has not been too bad about things and we almost feel back to normal although I do suspect it is because of not talking about it and not dealing with it. I would really appreciate knowing your suggestionsre the logistics of allowing her access with new boundries put in place; given that she is likely to invite herself back next year (4 hours away so not far enough). I am likely to win over DH - she has had him under her thumb from the start but I feel that I can't simply let it go. I dont really want to email her back or call her as we don't usually communicate that way and once I tried and was shouted down

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