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Toxic MIL or am I overreacting? If the former, how to get rid or limit access?

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figcake · 18/11/2010 14:53

Not a regular but I would really appreciate some good advice. I have been in a bad state for a few days, suffered insomnia all night last night so I am absolutely exhausted and really need to get things straight in my mind.

This is dh's computer and he works from home though is not around atm so I might not be able to post replies as regulary as I would like so please bear with me.

History is that dh and I have been together for around 13 years since I was in my early 20s. MIL always disapproved of me and felt suspicious of why I hooked up with her son because I am not from their (European) country even though I spoke the language reasonably well (having learnt it at school) and had visted there a few times prior to meeting dh. I was younger than dh/ educated to postgrad level/ had already bought my first flat at the time/ not really interested in her obsession with the Christian faith etc. whereas dh was a bit of a dreamer/ living at home with mum/ never earned more than min wage/ not academic etc. So basically very different backgrounds which meant that I was ok with making allowances for their odd attitude towards me.

Dh came to live with me at my home in the UK after we married and things were rocky for a few years (mainly due to his family interfering in every aspect of our lives from a distance and dh being too spineless to stand up to them also due to the fact that I was quite young and this was the first proper relationship either of us had been in) - his aunt even went so far as to ask him what contraception I was using. He left a few times and moved back with his mum found work back home etc but before dc1 was born moved back, found interesting work to do in the UK, showed commitment for the first time ever and we sorted out our differences and went on to have dc2 etc. and felt generally happy and positive.

My mil did occasionally stir things up from a distance via phonecalls to dh but the distance meant that she could not visit v often to do this face to face. She has been trying to persuade dh to bring only the dcs to see her abroad ever since dc1 was 2 weeks old and fully bf but dh basically fudged the issue.

She was invited to visit a few weeks ago and suddenly announced that she was bringing her other son with her who was always v critical of me and whom I would not have invited. He has never even sent the dcs birthday cards or ecards despite being v well-off with few commitments and a bimbo girlfriend whom he showers with useless expensive gifts of the knickers-perfume-chocolates variety all the time. However, in the interests of maintaining harmony and not wishing to deny the dcs the chance to know their uncle I agreed that they could both stay over.

DH and I felt that overall, things went well. I played the polite and interested DIL making teas, engaging in mind-numbing chit chat in their language (despite not wanting to as we practice one-parent-one-language). I talked to dcs in English as that is usual for us, they do not know DHs mother tongue. She understands next to no English.

On the first day they arrived, dh woke up late and needed to rush to meet their flight so we agreed to meet at a certain restaurant in London and I agreed to bring the dcs there at an agreed time, at my own expense. We got soaked in a downpour as our umbrella got jammed (not their fault I know but I did not have the option of returning home obv) and when we got there, we waited ages in our wet clothes but they did not show up so after an hour, we ate I took the dcs home in the dark. DHs mobile had been switched off and I would not have known their numbers as I dont really have much to do with them. I later found out that their flight had been delayed and mil cooly implied that we should have waited even longer. By the time they turned up at our house it was almost bedtime the dcs were pretty hyper after a full-on day and dcs started chucking his mecanno towards mil whist laughing and making his usual aeroplane noises. dh went onto the computer (in the other room as he had to print things for their posh restaurant reservation later that evening) and did not come out for an hour as he was playing soduku (sp?) and is generally unsociable. The discipling was left to me even though DH knows that I do not feel comfortable around them. I explaned to ds2 in English not to do that and showed him the right way to play using the usual positive parenting techniques. I went off to cook dcs supper as it was already too late. I was not in the room with them at the time to give them space to get to know the Dcs (they barely know them) . Obviously, once the time came to serve their dinner, I did try to divert their attention to get them to eat (they are fussy eaters who usually eat at around 4.30 rather than 6 and are def not used to evening visitors).

We traipsed around town with them for four days catering to their every whim and they never implied they were unhappy about anything.

Last week, MIL used DHs work email address (never usually does as we have a family address) to send this to him. He tried to keep it from me but I fell upon it on dc2s birthday. In translation:

Hi

I got back OK but I feel heavy hearted wrt your family situation. I actually needed several days to get my thoughts together to write this.

I know that you personally did everything that you possibly could to make sure that we had a good time.

DS presented himself well and seemed ready to learn a load of things but his mother seemed jealous of our presence and tried to butt in every time he wanted to interact with us - that is definitely the reason why he gets told off a lot at school. He needs to spend more time with other children of his age and you need to set that up as soon as possible. You both need to go out and start meeting other parents more and if Figcake can manage it, she should let him express himself and not anticipate every situation. I think that a short break (DH and DS) to visit FIL at Christmas will do him good

You all need to get out of the house more and meet people. I hope Figcake sees through her idea of taking up an activity - even though it wont be easy for her- in order to see how her current life has cut her off from reality.

She should try not to put on any more weight as it is not good for the heart and increases the risk of other cardiac conditions.

You need to finish all the works on your house as soon as possible and liquidate evrything that is no longer useful to DCs.

As always, we think you personally (i.e DH) are a great parent.

With love to you (i.e only dh). Mum

OP posts:
Tortington · 18/11/2010 16:02

this is your dh.

he doesn't recognise that you and the children are his nuclear family, he thinks he still belongs to his other family

and he needs to get this straight.

in your shoes i probably would have written back to her via dh's account telling her "whilst you are my mother and i love you. do not citicise my wife."

simple - no more

no less

but if you can't do it - the ideal option is for dh to do it.

but i wouldn't come second best

it would be ultimatum time

me or your mother

write the e-mail in my presence and send it. choose a family

figcake · 18/11/2010 16:04

custardo - I know you are right but he would NEVER do that and NEVER choose and NOT leave us either.

OP posts:
hobnobsaremyfavourite · 18/11/2010 16:05

Ask yourself...am I prepared to live with someone like this in this situation for the rest of my life?

booyhoo · 18/11/2010 16:06

Op you mean your DH isn't going to respond to the email?

what do you mean he can't change? are you always going to let him disrespect you like this?

diddl · 18/11/2010 16:09

Well unless I´ve misunderstood, they´re all sounding like bullies now.

I´d tell your husband he can go if he wants & you & the children willl not.

Tortington · 18/11/2010 16:13

i'd write her back from my own account

"dear MIL,

i saw your e-mail and have considered your comments. I consider myself an excellent parent and whilst each mother does things differently it is rude to openly citicise, especially to her husband. For instance, i wouldn't dream of telling your son ( my husband). Similarly it is rude to comment on a persons weight and social life. If you have any further criticism, please do not hesitate to ring me directly as i hope you can appreciate it puts your son in an awkward position. Please don't make him choose between us.

yours sincerely"

Tortington · 18/11/2010 16:14

choice is the illusion fig.

what you are saying is put me before her - i WILL NOT be second best.

either write the e-mail or go home to your mother darling. tell her i come first becuase if you don't you are telling me that she DOES.

saffy85 · 18/11/2010 16:18

Stand your ground. You are being treated really badly, why the fuck should you have to spend anytime with this lot of dysfunctional fuckwits, christmas time or not.

As Custardo said, he doesn't seem to realise that you and DC are his actual family now, mummy, daddy and the rest of them are secondary. He is insisting you all go out and play happy families with them even though he doesn't appear to have made a stand WRT how his mum spoke about you. (She is as bad btw as she didn't have the balls to say any of this bullshit to your face.)

AttilaTheMeerkat · 18/11/2010 16:20

Your H is spineless and is partly responsible now for your emotional pain. His primary loyalty should be to you his wife and child, not his bloody mother.

Many men in these situations cannot readily change because they have been subjected to a lifetime of such conditioning and think its normal. However, it is no excuse or justification for how your man is acting now; you are being hurt here and badly so by these people. I would tell you man outrught - choose between you or his Mum.

Ex FIL sounds like a tool as well in all this and is not above using emotional blackmail; you are far better off staying the hell away from all of them.

I would also suggest you read "Toxic Inlaws" written by Susan Forward as this may help you further.

BTW toxic MIL would have been exactly the same regardless of whom he married. You did not make her this way; her issues are her issues and not yours to carry.

ENormaSnob · 18/11/2010 16:20

Custardo is right.

Fwiw I couldn't live like that. The good qualities you list are what most would consider basic, fundamental actions of a husband and father.

ASecretLemonadeDrinker · 18/11/2010 16:21

Maybe I'm reading it wrong - she implied you needed to relax abit more and hopes you do a course you are hoping to do? Old people always go on about weight IME, everyone I have known (my grndad, DHs grandma) has said it through kindness about losing weight. I read it as she thinks you are lonely and need to do something for yourself (i.e housebound with young kids) but very bad wording. Maybe I am wrong.

booyhoo · 18/11/2010 16:21

agree with attila.

jessiealbright · 18/11/2010 16:22

If you and your husband have a one-language for each parent rule, how come your children don't speak the language of dh's mother?

Does he leave everything to you?

hobbgoblin · 18/11/2010 16:23

Well, you need to make him choose. He either ends the awful situation for you at the risk of upsetting his mother or he ruins the relationships between you and him and the DC for the sake of his mother. There is no 'can't' this is a 'Won't' situation. He is not incapable, he is choosing which woman in his life is worth more. It isn't you. This makes him a pig. You should probably leave him but it's bad form to suggest that I guess.

jessiealbright · 18/11/2010 16:23

Oh, cross-post.

From your later post, ("0.5 hours a day") that is how it works, then.

mamas12 · 18/11/2010 16:24

What is this thing about not allowing you contact details for your fil?
He is sounding more and more controlling tbh.

He needs a wake up call really, you do know that his behaviour is unnacceptable don't you or you wouldn't be posting. Sooo, call him on it.

hobbgoblin · 18/11/2010 16:28

Oh, and I don't think the email is as bad as I expected. She seems awfully misguided in her attempts to attain perfection for her son. That seems to be her crime. Nothing is ever going to be good enough for him though so everyone's on a hiding to nothing with this woman. I don't think she hates you, she just wants to make you more perfect and cannot deal with the idea that you might not be perfection personified.

You should buy her Psycho on DVD for xmas.

LoveRedShoes · 18/11/2010 16:30

Hmmm, reminds me of the Italian branch of my family!
Custardo is correct - and if your husband will not step up and tell her not to criticize you (and this doesn't have to be nastily, just matter of fact) then he is no husband to you.
I understand he probably has to tread a fine line with an overbearing mother, and give her the respect that is 'due' (whether it is or not). And, carrying on the overbearing Italian mama theme, she will react in fits of tears and claim he is not a son to her..etc....
Or.....you toughen up and set everyone straight. Perhaps in a strange way, she might repesct you a bit more, as you would be showing you are not weak, like her son. If hen won't tell her, then you will.
Hmmm......along the lines of 'if you are a guest in my house I expect to not read criticisms - you have your house, I have mine.'
Watch the Godfather for inspiration Grin

QuickLookBusy · 18/11/2010 16:30

I think it may be a cultural thing. Alot of european families have much closer family ties and it is "normal" for PILs to say exactly what they think about sons/daughters parenting. I have experience of this with my Dsis and her DH.

That said they obviously think the sun shines out of your DHs backside, and his behaviour when they visited was rude. Did you tell him at the time, that his behaviour was unacceptable?

I think you should ask DH if it's normal for parents to be so vocal/giving "advice" etc.

If he says yes, then I would tell him that it isnt in your culture and you find it upsetting. Im sorry to say this but if it is cultural then I think you do have to sort of put up with it. They are never going to change. I would just completely ignore their "advice" and not take it personally. They would probably do the same to any DIL.

I would visit them at christmas. But talk to DH before and say you will only go if he backs you up at all times!! He needs to support you.

If they say anything, just say something like "Thankyou for your thoughts, but this is the way DH and I do this." Thats what my Dsis has done and her PIL still give their opinions, but Dsis doesnt feel threatened or upset by them.

hobbgoblin · 18/11/2010 16:30

How does DH feel about how emasculating his mother's behaviour is?

perfumedlife · 18/11/2010 16:31

You are letting your husband disrespect you. You need to demand respect, not wait and hope it drops out of the sky. To be frank, if you were like this with me, I would disrespect you.

You saw an incredibly rude, ignorant email from your mil and you are accepting your dh's excuse for the content. You are also putting up with him 'not allowing access' to Fil. What is that all about? What kind of mature relationship is this then? Your mother has a point, you dont sound very mature to me.

Dont think I am attacking you, I am pointing out that if you act like a doormat, you will get treated as a doormat.

I wouldnt think calling Fil would change things. Its your husband who needs to take action here.

hobbgoblin · 18/11/2010 16:36

Interesting about the cultural aspects at play. I lived with a family in Italy as a teenager and it was similar.

So, how does the matriarchy work in mediterranean fa,milies? How does one take over the helm and allow the mother in law to feel that it is time to pass on the maternal baton?

perfumedlife · 18/11/2010 16:36

I dont give a flying fig about cultural allowances, rude is unacceptable, interferance in a marriage is unacceptable, and controlling by a husband is unnacceptable.

LoveRedShoes · 18/11/2010 16:37

Actually, if she is Italian I'll do it for you - I love overbearing Italian mothers. I probably am one Smile
Seriously - give your husband a verbal kick. He behaves like he is still at home with mama.

hobbgoblin · 18/11/2010 16:38

and in a matriarchal culture then disrespect of the maternal head of the household would be seen as rude and unacceptable perfumed.

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