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Toxic MIL or am I overreacting? If the former, how to get rid or limit access?

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figcake · 18/11/2010 14:53

Not a regular but I would really appreciate some good advice. I have been in a bad state for a few days, suffered insomnia all night last night so I am absolutely exhausted and really need to get things straight in my mind.

This is dh's computer and he works from home though is not around atm so I might not be able to post replies as regulary as I would like so please bear with me.

History is that dh and I have been together for around 13 years since I was in my early 20s. MIL always disapproved of me and felt suspicious of why I hooked up with her son because I am not from their (European) country even though I spoke the language reasonably well (having learnt it at school) and had visted there a few times prior to meeting dh. I was younger than dh/ educated to postgrad level/ had already bought my first flat at the time/ not really interested in her obsession with the Christian faith etc. whereas dh was a bit of a dreamer/ living at home with mum/ never earned more than min wage/ not academic etc. So basically very different backgrounds which meant that I was ok with making allowances for their odd attitude towards me.

Dh came to live with me at my home in the UK after we married and things were rocky for a few years (mainly due to his family interfering in every aspect of our lives from a distance and dh being too spineless to stand up to them also due to the fact that I was quite young and this was the first proper relationship either of us had been in) - his aunt even went so far as to ask him what contraception I was using. He left a few times and moved back with his mum found work back home etc but before dc1 was born moved back, found interesting work to do in the UK, showed commitment for the first time ever and we sorted out our differences and went on to have dc2 etc. and felt generally happy and positive.

My mil did occasionally stir things up from a distance via phonecalls to dh but the distance meant that she could not visit v often to do this face to face. She has been trying to persuade dh to bring only the dcs to see her abroad ever since dc1 was 2 weeks old and fully bf but dh basically fudged the issue.

She was invited to visit a few weeks ago and suddenly announced that she was bringing her other son with her who was always v critical of me and whom I would not have invited. He has never even sent the dcs birthday cards or ecards despite being v well-off with few commitments and a bimbo girlfriend whom he showers with useless expensive gifts of the knickers-perfume-chocolates variety all the time. However, in the interests of maintaining harmony and not wishing to deny the dcs the chance to know their uncle I agreed that they could both stay over.

DH and I felt that overall, things went well. I played the polite and interested DIL making teas, engaging in mind-numbing chit chat in their language (despite not wanting to as we practice one-parent-one-language). I talked to dcs in English as that is usual for us, they do not know DHs mother tongue. She understands next to no English.

On the first day they arrived, dh woke up late and needed to rush to meet their flight so we agreed to meet at a certain restaurant in London and I agreed to bring the dcs there at an agreed time, at my own expense. We got soaked in a downpour as our umbrella got jammed (not their fault I know but I did not have the option of returning home obv) and when we got there, we waited ages in our wet clothes but they did not show up so after an hour, we ate I took the dcs home in the dark. DHs mobile had been switched off and I would not have known their numbers as I dont really have much to do with them. I later found out that their flight had been delayed and mil cooly implied that we should have waited even longer. By the time they turned up at our house it was almost bedtime the dcs were pretty hyper after a full-on day and dcs started chucking his mecanno towards mil whist laughing and making his usual aeroplane noises. dh went onto the computer (in the other room as he had to print things for their posh restaurant reservation later that evening) and did not come out for an hour as he was playing soduku (sp?) and is generally unsociable. The discipling was left to me even though DH knows that I do not feel comfortable around them. I explaned to ds2 in English not to do that and showed him the right way to play using the usual positive parenting techniques. I went off to cook dcs supper as it was already too late. I was not in the room with them at the time to give them space to get to know the Dcs (they barely know them) . Obviously, once the time came to serve their dinner, I did try to divert their attention to get them to eat (they are fussy eaters who usually eat at around 4.30 rather than 6 and are def not used to evening visitors).

We traipsed around town with them for four days catering to their every whim and they never implied they were unhappy about anything.

Last week, MIL used DHs work email address (never usually does as we have a family address) to send this to him. He tried to keep it from me but I fell upon it on dc2s birthday. In translation:

Hi

I got back OK but I feel heavy hearted wrt your family situation. I actually needed several days to get my thoughts together to write this.

I know that you personally did everything that you possibly could to make sure that we had a good time.

DS presented himself well and seemed ready to learn a load of things but his mother seemed jealous of our presence and tried to butt in every time he wanted to interact with us - that is definitely the reason why he gets told off a lot at school. He needs to spend more time with other children of his age and you need to set that up as soon as possible. You both need to go out and start meeting other parents more and if Figcake can manage it, she should let him express himself and not anticipate every situation. I think that a short break (DH and DS) to visit FIL at Christmas will do him good

You all need to get out of the house more and meet people. I hope Figcake sees through her idea of taking up an activity - even though it wont be easy for her- in order to see how her current life has cut her off from reality.

She should try not to put on any more weight as it is not good for the heart and increases the risk of other cardiac conditions.

You need to finish all the works on your house as soon as possible and liquidate evrything that is no longer useful to DCs.

As always, we think you personally (i.e DH) are a great parent.

With love to you (i.e only dh). Mum

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perfumedlife · 19/11/2010 17:17

He is lying about being charged for cancelling the restaurant booking.

Fibilou · 19/11/2010 17:22

I thought that perfumedlife. We've eaten out at swish restaurants all round the world - and I've never been to one that charges you if you cancel your table.

Monison · 19/11/2010 18:01

Figleaf I have been reading through with increasing concern. Your in-laws are not reasonable. Attempting to be reasonable with them will not get you anywhere. If you offer your FIL money to compensate him, it will be tacit confirmation that you are in some way liable/at fault. You are not. You owe them nothing. Stop catering to them. Cut your MIL out of your life - and the rest of them. It should be of no concern to you what those mad, bitter, hateful people think.

You keep saying that you're ok if you don't 'over think' things. Do you mean if you ignore the terrible situation you are in? You seem to believe that you in some way deserve this. You don't. Things can be different. Please seek help. You and your DCs really need move beyond this situation. Get rid of the dead weight and be happy again. Your parents may not approve of divorce but I imagine they don't approve of their daughter being abused either.

Good luck x

perfumedlife · 19/11/2010 18:09

Agree with Monison.

When you mention your parents attitude to divorce, it tells me that you still act rather immature, insofar as you take their feelings into consideration on an issue that has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Your marriage is your business. Sure, they will have concerns but when they learn just how bad things have been they will simply want the best for you and their grandchilren. You need to get the confidence to see this, to take charge.

Please don't downplay these past few days as nothing major. This marriage is not in a good place and is dragging your self confidence to dangerously low levels.

Even if your H was charge for the booking (highly unlikely) he will just have to suck it up,, you would choke if you had to eat opposite him pretending all was well.

SugarMousePink · 19/11/2010 20:15

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RunawayChristmasTree · 19/11/2010 20:38

What a cow.
Do not let her in to your home ever again
Make sure you have as many of your assets in your name and not jointly
And absolutely never let your husband take the children to visit her, of out of the UK in fact.
Tell your DH to grow a back bone and reply telling her to fuck off

RunawayChristmasTree · 19/11/2010 20:42

Ok just read some more.
You are married to a c* and you need to get him out of your life and out of your home.

Hide the passports for Gods sake, clear out the bank accounts and get away from this low life

figcake · 19/11/2010 20:45

Hi
Thanks for all the great advice. I have decided to do the following (not sure if legally possible):

Get a safety deposit box for the DCs passports. Over many years, MIL had been constantly pressurising DH into getting European ID cards for the DCs; saying that passports were expensive and unecessary. I did stand my ground on that one and bought proper UK passports for them - I don't know whether they could still get these cards (which effectively function like passports within Europe?) without my consent.

I have not added him onto my house. I dont have day-to-day exp receipts as I tend to shred them. I might have some old bills but all the DD are in my name. However, our ebay account (mainly used by myself to buy things for the DCs) is in his name - although my card is registered to it so transactions could be split meaningfully. He has paid for a fair amount of meals out although there is obviously no proof that I ate out with him on these occasions. I really went along with it because it was culturally important to him, I was not brought up doing that. I am aware that MIL has made payments to him during this year of the odd £100 here and there to pay for the costs of running his car which he mainly uses for his own trips out using his Merlin Pass.

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figcake · 19/11/2010 20:53

I have always had my own bank account because it was always too risky to share one with a high-spending low-earner with me controlling the household finances.

Just to update, he was screaming down the phone to my parents tonight while I was eating with DCs and he appears to now elicit their sympathy. They have asked me to let it go because they are worried that he is really stressed out and may flip and do something terrible and that I have pushed the matter too far. I don't know what to think really. Still feel that I need to send MIL that email.

Does anybody know how I could get an injunction to stop him taking the DCs abroad 'behind his back' as it were; based on a spent caution (given because I retracted my original statement which may have led to worse) and the fact that he slapped a female colleague in his native country about 7 years ago and police were involved??

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figcake · 19/11/2010 21:01

I do appreciate the cultural differences and the fact that he is away from his family while I am living near mine - it does make me pity him and is probably why I might come across as a doormat in many respects.

I just don't know whether it would be better if he were hounded out like a wild animal. In some ways, the DCs do love the fact that he is around even if he barely interacts or sees eye-to-eye with them. I was obviously naive to get myself involved with someone whom I felt so incompatible with from the outset but even if I threw him out, I have lost most of my 20s and my early 30s and whilst not over the hill I would be one of many single mums, wondering if it would ever happen for me all over again. I dont know if it is better to think that my dcs will be old enough to cope with our split when I am in my mid 40s and I will still have enough time to rebuild my life at that point. Infact, one of my neighbours has bought her first home and had a baby whilst in her 40s.

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bearcrumble · 19/11/2010 21:04

Bloody hell you poor thing. I have no idea about the legal aspects of this and I am so sorry for what you're going through.

I think there's been some great advice on here and I wish you the best of luck removing this man and his vile family from your and your children's lives.

I think once you've got him out of the house I'd sell up and buy somewhere else so he doesn't know where you live...

bearcrumble · 19/11/2010 21:05

It's better to be single forever than to be with a man like this. That's not to say you won't meet someone else but don't let that be your main goal.

I think you need to - as cheesey as it sounds - rediscover yourself first.

scotsgirl23 · 19/11/2010 21:12

I wonder if he has your parents sympathy, or fear? It sounds more like the latter from the fact they "are worried he ....might flip and do something terrible"

Don't wait because your DCs will be older - please. My DHs parents split when he was 21 and his brother 18, and they found it really hard. Both reckon it might have been easier when they were younger. And the older they are, the more they will learn that his behaviour, and your relationship, is normal.

lisianthus · 19/11/2010 21:18

Figcake, I don't know, but your lawyer will. PLEASE see your lawyer ASAP. And don't wait for a safe deposit box - take your children's passports to work or somewhere he can't get at them. You do not want to come home one night to an empty home while he has taken your children overseas.

Even if you decide not to divorce him (and I hope for your children's sakes and yours that you do divorce him) seeing a lawyer just equips you with the information you need to protect yourself, rather than forcing you to commit to doing anything.

figcake · 19/11/2010 21:20

it probably is fear I suppose. They also know MIL and DH both shout people down if you happen to disagree with them. It is so unlike the healthy debates and productive arguing that went on in our house. I am delighted to have DCs and that is why I don't regret my marriage at all. I probably would not want to hook up with anyone again as I don't think it is possible to rebuild my self-esteem to that extent and there are other villains out there in abundance.

Not to forget that he is nearly 50 - in 10 years he will be older, weaker less powerful, MIL might be gone from our lives for good.

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scotsgirl23 · 19/11/2010 21:24

A quick scout online suggests that you can also contact the identity and passport service to get a bar on any replacement passports being issued without your consent - just in case he realises you've moved them and tries to order new ones.

aDarkStarWithStrangeWays · 19/11/2010 21:28

Jesus woman, will you listen to yourself? Hoping that in 10 years' time things might be better? What would you say if your child came to you and told you they were being bullied, but that hopefully in another ten years the bully might have got bored?

"I have lost most of my 20s and my early 30s" = even more reason not to throw another two good decades after bad.

See a solicitor so you are properly informed. Get all the relevant documents together. You are actually in a very strong position, owning the house, having your own money etc. Now you need to face up to what is happening and realise that you have a real opportunity to escape.

perfumedlife · 19/11/2010 21:30

figcake in the space of a day you sound like a transformed woman already Smile

I know this is a daunting time, and sad too. But you will get yourself back, plus some! You have beautiful children, your parents and your intelligence and freedom!

This is no life, dont hang around until some distand never never time. See a lawyer asap, and hide those passports.

I think you should see your parents alone and explain the full story, or show them this thread. You could do with their full support.

scotsgirl23 · 19/11/2010 21:34

FIGCAKE!

10 years - 120 months, 520 weeks, 3650 days....can you really live another 3650 days like this? You've given him 13 years already.

And in 10 years he might not be easier to deal with, or less powerful - he might be older, more obstinate, more stubborn....If you want out, don't wait 10 years.

figcake · 19/11/2010 21:45

Perfumed - yes, I am in a different place psychologically. I don't think I could show my parents this thread. They actually said that I am being encouraged to behave in a reckless and irresponsible manner by the 'people' that have been offering their advice! I am starting to think that maybe I have portrayed my situation as being a lot worse than it actually is on a day-to-day basis.

DH and I are like ships in the night , old flatmates - the sexual side of the relationship has all but fizzled out as he is practically impotent (though possibly auto-eroticism is the problem apparently? - another thread, I know). I definitely don't find him attractive (rarely did to begin with).

Gosh, I feel so awful having written that as it is not something he would relish having disclosed about him though if we were to break up, I could perhaps use it against him.

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perfumedlife · 19/11/2010 21:54

Auto eroticism? The sex game?

I wonder why your parents are so keen for you to stay married when you are clearly not happy? Do you think their marriage is as happy as you believed? I can't understand their attitude atall.

No one says you have to do anything, now or later. But people are pointing out that this will only get worse. There is no harm in arming yourself with legal knowledge.

scotsgirl23 · 19/11/2010 21:55

Only you can know that for sure, but, from what you have said:

He does next to nothing with the children
He contributes next to nothing financially
He calls you lazy
He's hit you in the past
You're no longer intimate
He belittles you to other people - i.e. your parents
He sleeps all day and leave syou to do pretty much everything domestically
He WON'T stand up for you
He happily relays hurtful comments
He's bullying you and your elderly parents
He lets his mother treat one of his children as sub standard
YOU DON'T LOVE HIM

I can't speak for others on this thread, but I've never encouraged someone, on here or elsewhere to leave. I only posted originally because I recognised so much of what I went through in your posts.

TrailMix · 19/11/2010 22:09

Figcake,

You need a solicitor. But even more than that, you need a therapist. You really, really need a therapist. Everyone around you in RL is messing with your lovely and still very young head.

Print out the whole thread, hand it to the therapist and then talk it all through.

On a practical note: see a solicitor ASAP to protect your girls. Hide their passports immediately. Put in place whatever protections necessary to keep him from leaving the country with them.

Think: who do you trust absolutely right now? Who in your life is on your side completely and totally?

Squitten · 19/11/2010 22:15

Honestly, what is the point?

You don't love him, you're not even attracted to him, he contributes nothing and makes your life miserable.

What is the point?

freefruit · 19/11/2010 22:15

SOrry havn't read the thread
My MIL is like this she has daily dripped this toxic shit on my husband for years.

My husband is a total 'Mummy's boy' too I thought we'd dealt with it after reading on here but the last year it has got so much worse, currenlty I spend most of my time fantasising about leaving him.

what I'm trying to say is that I think your dh has to take a big part of the blame and I'm not sure it will ever change! (but would love to be proved wrong)

Now I will go and read the thread

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