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Support group for those affected by someone else's drinking thread 5

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pointythings · 10/04/2026 08:50

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/alcohol_support/5473399-support-group-for-those-affected-by-someone-elses-drinking-thread-4?page=5

A new thread, because the old one is full - link to previous thread above.

These threads are a safe place for anyone who has an alcoholic in their lives. You can ask for help, you can vent, you can say whatever you need to without judgement. We will listen and support you.

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LavenderFieldds · 29/04/2026 14:33

Oh my goodness, @Hellodarknes55 . I don’t have anything useful to say, only how sorry I am. Huge hugs and handhold.

AcrossthePond55 · 29/04/2026 23:03

@Hellodarknes55

Oh no! I am so so so sorry this has happened.

I'm hoping that DS gets the help and support he needs. Is it likely that he'll be admitted for psychiatric care?

Take care of YOU. Be kind to yourself.

Hellodarknes55 · 30/04/2026 00:18

Thankyou all.
To be honest, we have been though this over and over. There is literally no support beyond what we have had already.
sadly we live in an area of the UK with one of the worst performing mental health provisions. We have been told that there is literally no support for adults with ADHD in this region.

We both feel very alone with this. They won’t section him because he isn’t bad enough. The crisis team were useless. Gave him a workbook and berated him. He has a psychiatrist we pay for.

He is still in hospital. Still having fluids and being monitored. I had to explain the timeline to him today as he had been so out of it. He was far more together but really will never talk to us. He must have been saving pills for over 2 weeks.

He will come home and act like nothing has happened. So many suicide attempts last year. 3 in 2 days at one point.

I guess they can’t blame the booze now.
Sending best wishes to you all.
this sucks so much. 😞

Userccjlnhibibljn8 · 30/04/2026 07:35

@Hellodarknes55 I am so sorry, and cannot imagine how this must be for you. I am thinking of you, and hope for your sake there is a change in the pattern of care.

Nogoodusername · 30/04/2026 08:53

Massive hugs @Hellodarknes55, so hideous for you and just ongoing torment and anxiety.

I also had the same experience with Ex in terms of there just being no mental health support. When he didn’t meet the threshold for detention under the mental health act it almost felt like ‘see you, bye’. Crisis team was basically nothing but a few visits or phonecalls to check he was still alive. There was no actual access to diagnosis or treatment.

I hope that some respite is helping. Could you refuse to have him home on the basis that you cannot keep him safe, perhaps that would get adult social care involved?

Sending you lots of love xx

Penguinsandspaniels · 30/04/2026 09:17

How bad does he have to be to be sectioned ?

if he has multiple attempts ?

pointythings · 30/04/2026 09:24

Penguinsandspaniels · 30/04/2026 09:17

How bad does he have to be to be sectioned ?

if he has multiple attempts ?

The bar is high, but where I am, multiple suicide attempts would be enough. However, the pressure on mental health beds is huge. In an area where your mental health trust is poor, you stand little chance of getting a section in place, especially with a comorbid history of substance misuse. There are very few dual diagnosis services now.

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allthepeopleso · 30/04/2026 10:14

Hi everyone, I am back again. I feel like I’m really struggling at the moment. I attended a pub quiz yesterday where everyone had been drinking for a few hours. The whole time I felt so anxious and on edge, I was on the verge of tears and just wanted to go home. I feel like this is really impacting my life, I should be able to go to a pub quiz and enjoy myself, not be terrified of everyone there for no reason. I don’t know what to do, I feel helpless in this situation. My partner has said he feels as though he must ask my permission to go out, as he knows how upset I can get if he just goes out for a drink. He’s truly the kindest person I know and logically I know he would never do anything to me, but as soon as he’s had a drink the logic goes out of the window. I’m just really struggling at the moment and don’t know where to turn. Does anyone have any advice?

I wonder if anyone knows of therapy which may help? I had nhs CBT before but the lady just asked me to recite the traumatic event 3 times a day until it was no longer scary. I have removed myself from the events so much that telling it doesn’t worry me as it feels as though I am just telling a story. So I didn’t find this therapy helpful. I’m just really struggling :/

Nogoodusername · 30/04/2026 13:35

pointythings · 30/04/2026 09:24

The bar is high, but where I am, multiple suicide attempts would be enough. However, the pressure on mental health beds is huge. In an area where your mental health trust is poor, you stand little chance of getting a section in place, especially with a comorbid history of substance misuse. There are very few dual diagnosis services now.

That was certainly my experience - no dual diagnosis services at all in the area and no mental health service would touch Ex beyond making sure he was still alive for a few days after a suicide admission

AcrossthePond55 · 30/04/2026 15:06

@Hellodarknes55 @pointythings @Nogoodusername

Obvs some things are different here since I'm in the US. But the bar is high here, too. Pretty much all a person has to do is deny suicidal 'ideation' and it's basically "That's OK then, 'bye". Multiple attempts within a short timeframe or with obvious psychosis would probably be a different matter.

Here a psychiatric admission is more about 'the law', your insurance coverage, or whether you can afford to pay cash. But the law is pretty lax; 'danger to oneself or others', but a lot of it depends on the person actively saying they have that desire. But even if the criteria is met it's for a 48 hour 'hold'. After the 48 hours if you are 'oriented x 3' (person, place, time) you're good to go. So if you know your name, where you are, and what day of the week it is, you're on your way.

It's so sad that the people who need the most intervention are the least likely to get it.

AcrossthePond55 · 30/04/2026 15:25

@allthepeopleso

I'm not a professional so I can't really say what treatment will help you. I do suggest you find another therapist and explain what happened with the one you mention in your post.

I'd also suggest you try going to your local chapter of Al Anon, or check out one of the SMART family and friends online meetings. These are specifically for people living with or affected by other people's drinking. Al Anon has a 'spiritual' component to it although not a specific religion or a religion at all. But it does have a focus on "your higher power, whatever you conceive that to be".

I also think that you are going to have to 'come to terms' with your DP's drinking. I DO NOT mean accepting it. I mean you have to come to terms with whether or not he has a drinking problem. Your statement of 'as soon as he’s had a drink the logic goes out of the window' certainly indicates to me that you don't like his drinking. And trust me, that is enough for it to be a 'drinking problem' for you. And that's enough for you to reconsider or even end a relationship.

You don't need to be put in a place of discomfort or fear because of his drinking even if all he does is, for example, 'act stupid' but not with anger or malice. I have no intention of ever getting involved with someone again, but if I did that would cause me to nope my way out of there. I will never deal with drunkenness again, even if it is just stupidity or 'goofiness'. But this is a decision you have to make for yourself; is your discomfort and fear worth just because you want to have a partner or would you rather be on your own in peace and calm? This is something to talk over with a therapist.

I don't remember if it was an ongoing thing or not, but are you still getting pressure from others regarding your stepfather? If so, you may want to consider going LC or NC with them. Again, your decision, but you don't have to put up with it.

allthepeopleso · 30/04/2026 16:29

@AcrossthePond55i have reached out to some therapists with an explanation on what has happened previously, hopefully one of them will come back to me. Thank you for the recommendations re AI Anon and SMART family.

i agree that I need to deal with DP’s drinking in some way. I think what I’m trying to do is get to a point where I don’t need to be fearful of people drinking around me, including him. We have had a big heart to heart around all of this, and to be honest I feel as though I have perhaps downplayed or not fully explained how I feel. When I said to DP what I was feeling he replied with “I knew you had those issues with others but I assumed because it’s me you didn’t also think that way with me. I’m sorry for not realising that, i’ll make sure that I’m not acting in a way that’s making you uncomfortable again.” so I do feel as though he listens and tries to be supportive in this way. I find it so hard, he’s truly my best friend and in every other way he is my perfect person. I feel as though my issues around drink shouldn’t therefore ruin all of the other amazing stuff too. I don’t want to be alone because I can’t deal with anyone ever having a drink, that thought makes me feel sad.

I do have a lot of pressure re stepfather, mostly from my mum who remains pushy. I think this is part of the ongoing issue. My trauma hasn’t gone away, it’s something I struggle to move on from when I have to see him all the time and pretend like everyone is happy! My family situation is so complex, I don’t speak to mum and stepfather wherever I can help it but I don’t want to cut them completely off for my grandparents sake. I know that’s ultimately not be responsibility, but I care for their feelings in this too. FWIW, they also hate stepfather and have a strained relationship with my mum, owing to her behaviour and insistence that it’s all fine. But they would never cut her off

AcrossthePond55 · 30/04/2026 19:54

allthepeopleso · 30/04/2026 16:29

@AcrossthePond55i have reached out to some therapists with an explanation on what has happened previously, hopefully one of them will come back to me. Thank you for the recommendations re AI Anon and SMART family.

i agree that I need to deal with DP’s drinking in some way. I think what I’m trying to do is get to a point where I don’t need to be fearful of people drinking around me, including him. We have had a big heart to heart around all of this, and to be honest I feel as though I have perhaps downplayed or not fully explained how I feel. When I said to DP what I was feeling he replied with “I knew you had those issues with others but I assumed because it’s me you didn’t also think that way with me. I’m sorry for not realising that, i’ll make sure that I’m not acting in a way that’s making you uncomfortable again.” so I do feel as though he listens and tries to be supportive in this way. I find it so hard, he’s truly my best friend and in every other way he is my perfect person. I feel as though my issues around drink shouldn’t therefore ruin all of the other amazing stuff too. I don’t want to be alone because I can’t deal with anyone ever having a drink, that thought makes me feel sad.

I do have a lot of pressure re stepfather, mostly from my mum who remains pushy. I think this is part of the ongoing issue. My trauma hasn’t gone away, it’s something I struggle to move on from when I have to see him all the time and pretend like everyone is happy! My family situation is so complex, I don’t speak to mum and stepfather wherever I can help it but I don’t want to cut them completely off for my grandparents sake. I know that’s ultimately not be responsibility, but I care for their feelings in this too. FWIW, they also hate stepfather and have a strained relationship with my mum, owing to her behaviour and insistence that it’s all fine. But they would never cut her off

@allthepeopleso

I think the issue around your fears of people drinking will need to be dealt with with therapy. Anything that affects someone so deeply that they have to or want to change the way they live or what they do to stay in their comfort zone needs more help than can be given by laypersons. So just keep looking for the right therapist. Sometimes (as the saying goes) you have to kiss a lot of therapist toads before you find the therapist prince(ss).

It's good you were completely honest with DP about the fact that his drinking does have a negative impact on you. So now that he knows, watch what he does.

I also think you need to realize that not everyone drinks. I understand that the 'pub culture' that exists in the UK isn't something we have here in the US and the attitude towards drinking is somewhat different, too. But I'm sure there are people in the UK who are teetotal or only drink on 'high days and holidays'. So if you decide for whatever reason that you don't want to be around people who drink, you won't be alone. And that decision is a valid choice. No one needs to drink and it's not necessary to have liquor available at a function to have a good time. But again, this is something you can work out in therapy.

FWIW, they also hate stepfather and have a strained relationship with my mum, owing to her behaviour and insistence that it’s all fine. But they would never cut her off

This kind of puzzles me. If they hate him and have a strained relationship with her, if they know about what he's done and that they refuse to acknowledge the wrong done to you, why wouldn't they support you in going NC? They can still have a relationship with your mum, but they shouldn't insist or expect you to have one.

And why do you 'have to see him all the time and pretend like everyone is happy'? Do you live with your grandparents? Because if not, you don't have to see him 'all the time'. You can decline invitations if they are included. You can have a relationship with your family without your mum and SF there. It just takes courage (and therapy). Keeping the status quo is a big reason why your trauma hasn't gone away. Because 'everyone' keeps telling you that everything is hunky dory when your brain is telling you that it is not.

I know that big change is scary. But I also know that it's worth it. Trust me. I left a marriage of 38 years because of my DH's drinking. It was scary. But I am happier and most importantly, I am living a peaceful life surrounded by people who love me and accept me and my decisions.

Hellodarknes55 · 30/04/2026 22:13

@pointythings @Userccjlnhibibljn8 @Nogoodusername @Penguinsandspaniels
thanks all.
He is still in hospital but has been moved from acute to a renal ward. He was/is surrounded by men in their 70s on both wards.
He tells me he is absolutely fine (except for extreme pains in his legs and stomach) 🤷🏻‍♀️

Last summer when he was in an absolute terrible state and was making attempt after attempt, we begged them to section him and he also begged as he was so terrified.
I think my partner made a mistake when agreeing to him coming back here but that’s water under the bridge now. We have popped to see him in hospital this time but not lingered. It feels like previous times they have sent him home because they know someone is there.
He had a very clear suicide plan in his flat which scared us if I am honest.

The police have told us that the situation is abysmal. They keep rescuing people from various scenarios and after a quick check up, they are sent home again. Their hands are tied and they are unhappy about it. Mental health team at the hospital can do very little. Crisis team are pointless. Our son knows all of this and knows there is no point talking to any of them. His DBT is ongoing and has helped to some extent.

Last august DS jumped off a bridge into a river. Police hauled him out, took him for a hospital check and then drove him to the next county to an assessment centre. They had him locked in there for about 6 hours. Decided he was absolutely fine to go back to his flat. We were away so they had to put him in a taxi with no shoes, money, phone or flat key. He managed to get himself back to his flat and then got into his bath with the toaster. Fortunately, his flat had separate electricity boards so he tripped everything but was relatively ok.

To be sectioned here, it takes hallucinations or hearing voices from what I have been told.
When he was trying to be hit by traffic on the road outside our home (60mph) the police arrived after he went back into our home. They said if he had still been outside, they could have detained him.

It all feels completely impossible. My heart breaks if I am honest because I still see the little cheeky boy.

Penguinsandspaniels · 30/04/2026 22:40

It must be so hard to know he will keep trying and one day sad to say he will succeed

can a psychiatrist talk to him or a counsellor

is he really depressed and that’s why he keeps trying ?

Hellodarknes55 · 30/04/2026 22:48

Penguinsandspaniels · 30/04/2026 22:40

It must be so hard to know he will keep trying and one day sad to say he will succeed

can a psychiatrist talk to him or a counsellor

is he really depressed and that’s why he keeps trying ?

I don’t think he will make 25.
we pay for a psychiatrist.
The last time he met with him, he had taken a large overdose hours before coupled with grapefruit juice to help the pills take more effect. He bare faced lied to the psychiatrist and was hospitalised later that night.

He is having DBT which is for people who self harm. He has a face to face each week and a group meeting. There has been some shift after that started but on the whole his life seems utterly hopeless.

Everything is a struggle.
He has ADHD and autism but was only diagnosed at 18.
sleep apnoea doesn’t help, and he may also have BPD.

I feel like he almost needs to be in sheltered housing/ have a full time carer. He just doesn’t function. Nothing healthy happens in his life.
It’s depressing being anywhere near him.

Penguinsandspaniels · 01/05/2026 07:37

sounds like he is draining your life away as well

must be so hard for you

AcrossthePond55 · 01/05/2026 19:50

@Hellodarknes55

Your post has had me in tears. My heart aches for you and for your son. I don't think I've ever wished so hard I had a magic wand or a genie in a bottle.

What @Penguinsandspaniels said is true, that some day he may succeed.

I'm reminded of something said at a gathering after a friend with a long history of mental illness killed themselves; When the pain it took to go was less than the pain it took to stay.

Take care of yourself, you matter too.

Hellodarknes55 · 01/05/2026 20:35

@AcrossthePond55 @Penguinsandspaniels
Thank you.
He did the whole nine yards with promising he wouldn’t do it again (lost count how many times he has overdosed now) and saying he was only waiting for the mental health team at hospital so could we just go get him.
We refused. They are not saying there is any damage but are talking about needing to monitor him still. On a bank holiday weekend.

I am relieved he is still there. Starting to like my own home again.
I am wondering if it’s going to end up that there is some damage. I can’t imagine it’s great if your kidneys decide to stop working. I am hopeful that the catheter experience is another thing he would like to avoid in future.
I do love him. But I don’t love much about him.

Penguinsandspaniels · 01/05/2026 21:10

We are all here for you @Hellodarknes55. You need to think of yourself as well

pointythings · 01/05/2026 21:31

I am so sorry things are so tough, @Hellodarknes55 . It's very clear that your DS is someone who self medicates with substances because he has major mental health issues.
And because the system in the UK is not geared to dual diagnosis it's really difficult to get someone the support they need. I'm glad your son is still in hospital; where I am, he would absolutely be sectioned.

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AcrossthePond55 · 01/05/2026 23:22

@Hellodarknes55

You did right to refuse to go get him and it's good they want to keep him a few more days.

"I do love him. But I don’t love much about him" describes my feelings about DH to a T. But on the up-side, my final judgement came through yesterday. It's a relief, but also a whole other workload to deal with.

Kidneys are pretty tough. But if they're abused enough they can decide to be uncooperative. DH has reduced kidney function due to chemo and radiation and I'm sure the alcohol isn't helping that any. But so far his kidney function is still the same. Hopefully your son hasn't sustained any permanent damage.

This is one of those times where 'one day at a time' doesn't cut it. You need to take it one hour at a time. Enjoy the peace, you're entitled to it.

Penguinsandspaniels · 02/05/2026 00:07

Guessing love of a child is diff to love of a partner

or the lack of love

he killed my love for him

could dd ever do anything to stop me
loving her

ive always said no

but if she turned out to be her fathers daughter and a drunk when an adult - could I go through it all again - I don’t know

but thankfully /hopefully I won’t have to as she at the comment (tho young) doesn’t like booze and I don’t think she will get drunk as a young teen

Littlewhitedaisy · 02/05/2026 13:21

I hope everyone here is ok, sending love to all who need it.
An update from me. Dh has been discharged home 🙁. He refused the meeting with the dr, social care and me, but was spoken to privately by a blunt doctor and a nurse about the harm to his health and family. He’s been told in no uncertain terms that he has to be completely abstinent, and if not one doctor says he has short years to live, another says dead by 65. He’s 51.
Social worker visited and checked on the children. They are confident in my ability to keep them safe as the protective element.
Dh knows everything, but is still deeply denying he is an alcoholic or has a problem, saying no one has told him about the damage to his brain and because he’s ok due to the thiamine drips being successful, then I must be making it up. He says he’s been told he’s fit and healthy, just a tiny bit of liver damage, not that’s it’s not far off cirrhosis.
He thinks I’m just going to suck it all up, and has not acknowledged in any way how this is affecting me or the children, ignoring all attempts to converse properly. On discharge, he spent 20 minutes at home then 4 hours at the pub and getting a haircut, not seeing the children or being involved with them for more than 10 minutes after his return. The following day - rinse abd repeat, in the pub between 4 and 9. Yesterday- very angry about the social worker visit, categorically denying any risk or wrong doing, and telling them that I like to make out the children are scared of him. They’re not when he’s sober, but they are when he’s drunk and saying things and everyone treads on egg shells. Later, he bought ice cream for our youngest and was shouting upstairs to see if our eldest wanted one. She couldn’t hear so I said to our youngest to go and ask her because she obviously didn’t hear, and his comment to that was “oh. It speaks.” (Me)
I ignored. He later went out , returned at 8, fell asleep in a chair. Now out watching the football in a pub, I’m once again alone. I don’t know if he’s had any alcohol since discharge. Possibly not, possibly a little, but I can’t tell properly. Says he’s going to be abstinent, then not abstinent forever. Who knows? Without support it’s just a matter of time I think.
I’ve told him it’s too much and has been for a long time, and that there’s no way back, that we need to focus o the wellbeing of our children, but he can’t see it’s harming anyone in any way. Drips in things like “ I have a stressful job”, “ if we separate it will kill my dad”, “ I don’t want to be a weekend dad…. I’ll leave you to think about that while I go out…” and generally thinks I’m getting what I wanted for years, which is for him to stop drinking, which he’s resentful of. No accountability for anything, or any remorse or acknowledgment of how I’m still doing everything alone and he’s still not participating in a relationship or family life on any way. He hates that I’ve told my family, and just says “ it must be nice to have people worried about you”.
What on earth is the way forward? I don’t want to carry on luke this, I don’t think he’ll accept any responsibility ever, and my life will just be more of the same and eventually he’ll decline further. But it don’t think he’s going to accept it’s over either, or that he can really get himself sorted out. He’s already saying that we will have to sell our home, and I’m saying we won’t because it’s our children’s home and I’ll do whatever it takes to keep it for them.
What a mess. I’m scared if the future, in any case. If he stays it’s only a matter of time probably until it worsens for everyone, if he goes the future is unknown. In any case all I dreamed of and held together for years is just in my head, and I think I face a financially uncertain time, while trying to keep my children’s lives steady and happy. But there’s already been an end to the world we present to everyone else, it’s just me doing everything anyway and he’s a tag on to the portrayal of successful life.
Sorry for the random rambling. It helps to put it all down to people who are not as emotionally invested in my life as me 🙂 but understand. 💐

Penguinsandspaniels · 02/05/2026 14:01

So he’s not drinking but going to the pub for hours