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Support group for those affected by someone else's drinking thread 5

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pointythings · 10/04/2026 08:50

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/alcohol_support/5473399-support-group-for-those-affected-by-someone-elses-drinking-thread-4?page=5

A new thread, because the old one is full - link to previous thread above.

These threads are a safe place for anyone who has an alcoholic in their lives. You can ask for help, you can vent, you can say whatever you need to without judgement. We will listen and support you.

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Penguinsandspaniels · 27/04/2026 23:48

Ex always repeats his self - or retells a story. Embellishes it each telling

I just thought it was a thing doubt their drinking

maybe they all have wet brain

Not sure why but wet tail springs into my mind like hamsters have with the mention of wet brain

kinda same outcome and if not treated the hamsters die

pointythings · 28/04/2026 07:17

My mother didn't take the thiamine either.

She drank herself into the full blown stage within 2 years. A typical symptom is that they retain perfect verbal fluency, but the content of what they say is balderdash. My mum used to go on and on about how she couldn't talk because her parents were about to get home from looking after the horses. Her parents were loooooong dead and never had horses - that was my Dsis, and she was in the UK like me.

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LavenderFieldds · 28/04/2026 08:52

@wouldratgerbeunknown it’s honestly mad here atm. I’ve asked for help from various sources including MH but they won’t do anything until there’s a crisis - but with children in the middle you don’t want a crisis! So my options are wait for a crisis, or evict him now and create a crisis that could be avoided if MH and others would step in now and help me manage his removal.

He’s been with crisis team in the past and as standard I was interviewed by SS asking me what measures I was taking to protect the children - well, not as many as I’d be taking if I had a bit more professional support. And then if it all goes wrong it will be my fault for not doing enough to protect them. I feel like I just can’t win.

My CPN has been on holiday bit is back this week. I’m going to read the riot act when I see her. Fortunately she’s brilliant and has the professional knowledge and contacts to start things moving properly. 111 and GP have been, well, useless.

LavenderFieldds · 28/04/2026 08:52

@Penguinsandspaniels I’m going to think of it as wet tail from now on - much better!

LavenderFieldds · 28/04/2026 08:56

DH just seems to be increasingly losing touch with reality. I have a feeling that’s MH psychosis creeping in with alcohol overlaid to try to dampen it down. I think what I’m worried about is if I tell someone what I suspect and they do a MH assessment then let him come home - he’ll know I’ve ‘told’ on him and I’ll be left to deal with the fallout. It would damage what little I have left of a working relationship with him. I’m not looking to preserve the marriage but I am trying to keep things civil enough to manage what I have to get through in the months ahead.

LavenderFieldds · 28/04/2026 09:04

I think also in truth I’m terrified of the reality that’s almost certainly imminent that I can’t leave him unsupervised with the DCs. I’m just beginning to get my life back and that would almost certainly
mean giving up my job as there’s nobody else who would have the DCs while I’m at work. Work is my oxygen atm. Argh. One step at a time. Thank you all for letting me rant.

Penguinsandspaniels · 28/04/2026 11:40

I get that @LavenderFieldds. Working has def been a lot harder these past 2yrs as dd can’t /wont stay along with ex

But I have to work and it’s very hard to make sure dd is ok/cared for while working

LavenderFieldds · 28/04/2026 13:04

How do you manage @Penguinsandspaniels ? I live very rurally and we don’t really have holiday clubs.

Penguinsandspaniels · 28/04/2026 14:39

She’s split between 3 people. I work nights and one night stays at a friend. Other 2 nights she’s at ours and either a very good friend stays or my dad God bless him /them

but it’s been very hard to keep in place and I feel like a hamster on the wheel always running

AcrossthePond55 · 28/04/2026 14:56

LavenderFieldds · 28/04/2026 08:56

DH just seems to be increasingly losing touch with reality. I have a feeling that’s MH psychosis creeping in with alcohol overlaid to try to dampen it down. I think what I’m worried about is if I tell someone what I suspect and they do a MH assessment then let him come home - he’ll know I’ve ‘told’ on him and I’ll be left to deal with the fallout. It would damage what little I have left of a working relationship with him. I’m not looking to preserve the marriage but I am trying to keep things civil enough to manage what I have to get through in the months ahead.

I’m worried about is if I tell someone what I suspect and they do a MH assessment then let him come home - he’ll know I’ve ‘told’ on him and I’ll be left to deal with the fallout.

I know that fear all too well! It's like 'not telling' is the lesser of two evils. Tell and all hell breaks loose, don't tell and deal with the drink induced behaviours. I chose the latter because it was (at the time) easier to deal with. But as I said upthread, calling his doctors was one of the first things I did after I left, when I knew I'd never go back. I didn't announce to him I'd told, it came out when his Dr refused to renew his Rx for opioid pain pills and told him it was because he abused them and alcohol. She refused to tell him who told her so he assumed correctly that I was the one who told. Funnily enough I don't really remember his reaction. I don't know if it's because I've blocked it out because it was bad or because he acknowledged his 'over use'. He still hasn't acknowledged that he misused them. Just that 'sometimes he took too many'.

At this point all you can do is use your best judgement. I truly believe that we know when the right time to take certain actions comes. The problem is that sometimes we choose to ignore it. So just keep mentally 'reviewing the situation'. You'll know when the time is right.

AcrossthePond55 · 28/04/2026 15:00

pointythings · 28/04/2026 07:17

My mother didn't take the thiamine either.

She drank herself into the full blown stage within 2 years. A typical symptom is that they retain perfect verbal fluency, but the content of what they say is balderdash. My mum used to go on and on about how she couldn't talk because her parents were about to get home from looking after the horses. Her parents were loooooong dead and never had horses - that was my Dsis, and she was in the UK like me.

I hadn't thought about it, but you're right. DH is verbally fluent it's just the 'content' of his speech that's affected. Sometimes makes it hard to decide whether something he says is nonsense or just may be true. For example, in the recent cock up on his banking, he was perfectly fluent when he told me he'd called the bank to rectify it, but I honestly didn't know whether to believe him or not. Thank God for online banking as I saw the correction the next day!

Littlewhitedaisy · 28/04/2026 18:00

Thank you for the welcome, my head is mush but here goes.
Dh has a big problem. He can be lovely, kind, do anything for anyone, hard working and witty. He also spends a lot ( hours a day) of time in the pub. He’s never home when he says he will be, misses mealtimes, comes home to sleep a bit off and goes out again. He pays me lip service with things, then goes about his life with little consideration for me. He occasionally cooks, maybe once a fortnight, does some of the morning school runs, occasionally cuts the grass, always plays with the dog, takes out the recycling. He doesn’t do a lot with the kids. Lately he has had trouble at work due to poor time keeping. For many years now I’ve done everything I can to get him to stop. I don’t drink, work, do 90 %of every thing on my own, especially parenting and household stuff. We have 3 dc, one severely disabled. He has sometimes left her on her own to go out and must be frequently drunk driving. I don’t let him pick our children up anymore. If I try to speak to him or call him out or anything I just get shot down, it gets turned back on me, told it’s my f fault, that I go on about it all the time, he does nothing wrong, he’s ok, shut up , and so on.
A couple of weeks ago he became ill and to cut it short ended up in hospital. He has pneumonia and the forced lack of alcohol put him into withdrawal. He’s had thiamine IV, Librium and all sorts. I went to see him and he clearly has something very wrong, like visiting a dementia patient. I raised my worry, was told it was just withdrawing.
A couple of days later they were wanted to send him home, I refused because I said he was clearly unwell and I couldn’t keep him safe at home, had enough on my plate and so on. He’s still in hospital now. I spoke to the consultant who told me he had pneumonia which could be sorted out, but more importantly had considerable damage to his liver c which is not quite cirrhosis but not far off, and damage to his brain which may recover partially, completely or not at all. I completely broke down , phoned my sister , and everything came out.
A social care nurse got involved. Social services now know and have visited us. They say- I agree- that it’s not an appropriate home situation and a safe guarding issue. While I am providing the safety that’s ok.
Dh doesn’t yet know. He probably won’t be able to be discharged home. I don’t think I can take anything else, I just want it to not be happening . Youngest dd misses him, eldest doesn’t want him to come home.
He appears to be mostly recovering well mentally, and is saying about wanting to come home. I feel ice in my chest at the thought of how he will react when he knows, he’ll be devastated. He loves us and his home, but hasn’t put it first in a long time. He is still rolling his eyes and denying he has a problem, won’t acknowledge the liver issues or the brain things, is dismissive of needing thiamine and says that although he has no cravings if you put a cold , frothy, bubbling beer in front of him he’d drink it. I said, even though you know it wouldn’t do you any good? He said? Yes probably. He hasn’t signed the consent forms for community support, not shown any indication that this has been the worst time of my life. I think he thinks he’s just going to come home, maybe behave a bit betters d it’ll all just be absorbed and go away.
I think he needs to confront his problems, accept he can’t ever drink again and take all the help he can get to get his life on track. If he doesn’t, he stands to have “short years” left according to the hospital.
I can’t think straight. My children are my priority, always , and I just can’t cope with it anymore. But can’t help wanting to scoop him up and bring him home because I’m scared of taking all hope from an essentially good man that I will always love. But then I remember that none of us should have to live like this, it’s all his doing, and I’m the one in pain while he sits there refusing to see the damage.
im sure there is more, but that’s enough for now. Please help if you can, I know you all live this too.

Littlewhitedaisy · 28/04/2026 18:04

Some hallucinations there too, seeing people who aren’t there, hearing things, saying random stuff, talking to himself, forgetting things. Also I have my doubts that some of this is real, or a put ok psychological game to get attention or frighten us.

pointythings · 28/04/2026 18:17

@Littlewhitedaisy now that you have social services involved, that does limit your options - and having him back as things are is not one of those. This is actually a good thing, it will lend you the strength to do what you need to do.

Which is prepare for separation. Your situation is deeply unsafe, your husband's health is such that he is not going to have many years left if he doesn't stop drinking and engage with treatment. And is he really helping you at all with your severely disabled child?

It may take you longer than some, but if I were you, I would be exploring my options.

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Littlewhitedaisy · 28/04/2026 19:21

Thank you. It does help me from the point of view that dh can’t say it’s just me not liking him drinking anymore. The medical side is proof rather than my opinion. I’m half hoping it will shock him into doing the right thing for everyone and sort himself out. The other half hopes he chooses to carry on, then my decision is clear. All of me is devastated that we’re here at all, all because he had to drink. It’s just so sad for what could and should have been. I’ve been hanging on to the man I know is still in there’s but is he? Or lost forever?
He doesn’t help much with any or our children, and dd’s disabilities are something he never came to terms with properly.
I have no doubt I can do it on my own, I just thought it would get better.

Penguinsandspaniels · 28/04/2026 20:14

That’s a lot to digest @Littlewhitedaisy - you may not think it now - but def good ss are involved so he can’t come back / the decision has been taken out of you hands

They are all nice when don’t drink and we wish things are different but they aren’t and they won’t change so we have to look out for ourselves but more our kids

leaving your disabled child alone is dreadful

I think tbh in hindsight , most of them drunk drove and amazed ex wasn’t in more accidents and thank God he didn’t kill someone

but even being drunk in charge and going to court and getting 11p wasn’t the wake up call for him

he said it was at the time but a month later Same story

sorry about his liver and deep down Thu all love us and th comforts we give and the things we do

but they love booze more

pointythings · 28/04/2026 20:34

We hang onto hope because we are strong, loyal and loving, @Littlewhitedaisy . There's absolutely no shame in that at all.

But you now have the knowledge you need and the support network that comes with disclosure. Use those things. I had social services involvement around the time my late husband was made to leave the family home because he threatened to kill me and the police were involved. I maxed that out, believe me.

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AcrossthePond55 · 28/04/2026 21:06

@Littlewhitedaisy

I'm so sorry you're having to deal with this. But you are not alone. All of us here have experienced the behaviour from our alcoholic that you're experiencing now. Remember:

You didn't cause it
You can't control it
You can't cure it.

The only person who has the power to make him stop drinking is him. And unfortunately that's not a choice that a lot of the make. We can't shame them, guilt them, or argue them into it.

The fact that he won't be allowed to come home is actually pretty great. I know it doesn't seem that way now, but soon you'll begin to feel the calm in your home that wasn't there when he was.

I agree with @pointythings it's time to consider your options. And remember that when you have a choice to make, choose YOU. Because if you choose you, you will also be choosing your children.

I’ve been hanging on to the man I know is still in there’s but is he? Or lost forever?

Both of these can be true at the same time. As my DS1 says "There's a wonderful man in there. Dad just won't let him out".

CharlotteByrde · 28/04/2026 21:32

Having social work involvement helped me realise that there was no way back and the feelings I still had for my husband weren't relevant to my situation, which was basically that I had to keep my children safe and show myself to be a responsible parent. If I scooped him up and brought him home, I risked the possibility of losing them. And after all they were the innocent victims. He was a grown man who was making terrible choices and making their lives miserable. And he was a good man once, kind and clever and fun. But in my experience, once they are in cognitive decline, there is no way back. They are lost.

Penguinsandspaniels · 28/04/2026 22:36

Kids can’t choose and have no choice so we have to protect and look after them

Hellodarknes55 · 29/04/2026 03:38

I am back.
Turns out DS took a large intentional overdose.
Over 40 high dose antidepressants over 2 days.
He must have been saving them for weeks, whilst leaving the foils as evidence he had taken them daily when we doled them out.
His kidneys had stopped working when he got to hospital. They are starting to work again now but he has really given his liver a hit too.

i just feel utterly numb
Thankfully he is on his second night in hospital and will be there at least another night. So someone else has responsibility.

I was told what he had done by a dr this morning as he refused to be honest the numerous times I asked him Sunday evening, late Sunday, Monday morning, Monday lunchtime. He went to his DBT session and told the therapist at 2 pm Monday. Seems he didn’t want to “upset us.”

CharlotteByrde · 29/04/2026 10:26

@Hellodarknes55 I am so sorry. Massive virtual hugs to you. Glad he is in hospital now and hope they can get him the help he needs.

Penguinsandspaniels · 29/04/2026 10:49

Oh @Hellodarknes55. I’m so sorry to hear this. How are you doing ?

Think he needs to be in for longer then another night

does he truely want to die - or it’s a cry for help? Has he spoke to anyone who have asked him why he’s doing this ?

zeroclucksgiven · 29/04/2026 12:11

sorry Ladies, lots going on and not much of it good but just had to pop on to say to @Littlewhitedaisy "hi, welcome" and I'm so glad SS are involved now, agree it really is the best for you and your child and they will take the 'responsibility' off you for him not coming home. Take this breathing space (before he knows he's not coming home) and a) actually breathe, b) really try to think about what you and DC need to happen next to bring you peace and calm and finally c) try to begin putting things in place to achieve the brighter and happier future you & DC deserve, even one small step towards this will be a start and may help make you feel stronger, hope so💐
@Hellodarknes55 I am so very sorry to hear this....you must be so traumatised and feel very helpless😞 Can the hospital or other agencies assist with the 'next steps'? Surely they will at the very least insist on a full psychological assessment for your son and his suitability to live at home with just you to 'police' him? He's shown he can be extremely devious in his goal, whether that be suicide or severe self-harm, no-one takes that many tablets if they're 'fine' do they? And why oh why are none of the 'professionals' coming up with anything to safeguard him but also to try and protect what's left of your mental health? Shame on them!
Feels like an utterly useless thing to say but you are in my thoughts and my prayers and if care and support from internet strangers helps at all, we'll keep it comin' xx

wouldratgerbeunknown · 29/04/2026 14:26

@Hellodarknes55just the worst news . I was so hoping for a different update from you. I really hope you and he get the support you need. No clue what to suggest but it just demonstrates how you cannot manage him. I know you’re thinking of him but I’m thinking of you and your partner what a toll this must be taking on you both .xxxxx