Thread 7 Burnham : Teimlo’r hwyl - feel the hwy

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Be of no doubt there will be burning of boats in the channel if Farage gets his pipe dream wish of being Prime Minister.

I caught this title in my feed - not sure how it works.

But I do like the idea of primaries. And I am convinced there was a Conservative experiment with them somewhere in the SW ?

It doesn't write history well that John Major - hardly a bruiser - was able to face the bastards down, where Dinky Dave cowered and let the ERG give him a damn good fagging.

I suspect one of the reasons non Etonians get so much opprobrium in the media is that they are immune to that public school pressure. We live in a weird world where it is easier for a bricklayer to tell their betters to fuck off than a fortune 500 CEO.

This is so true. Major faced them down by resigning and forcing ‘the bastards’ to put up or shut up. He then won the subsequent leadership election, I can’t remember his challenger right now.

Dave just crumbled and gave them what they wanted.

John Redwood was his challenger.
I appreciate Farage gets a lot of the “credit” for the wild success of Brexit but a lot of it should be shovelled in the direction of the ERG (who continue to pretend that the UK is better off morally, if not in anyway economically, out of the EU).

I wonder what the overlap is between The Conservative Friends of Russia & the ERG.

John Redwood.

Just imagine how different that would have been if he won.

😱

That was never going to happen.

The whole episode had the air of a scene from a public school story* , where the weedy kid stands up to the bullies, and they desperately start pushing each other to the front to take the blows.

Enter John Redwood.

*There really is a market for a TV series of the Flashman novels based around Boris Johnson.

I'm a bit behind, but I wonder if we are getting a better reflection of what people actually think in the comments while the bot farms are down now that they aren't by drowned out by made up posts.

I’m reminded of a story in the Times last month. It was about the origins of claims about the King had secretly converted to Islam - a claim I’ve seen on MN oddly enough.

The claim was traced back to bot farms in Vietnam.

“While it is not yet possible to establish who ordered the misinformation campaigns against the royal family, it is thought they were funded by a third party, possibly Russia.”

“Two automated Facebook accounts based in Vietnam appeared to be instrumental in spreading the story. Networks of thousands of automated accounts were then used to “consistently reach six million people, who consume their output regularly”, with messages put out on a “network usually used to promote hard-right actors including Tommy Robinson and the Reform party”, Valent’s research said.”

Funny how it all interconnects.

Royal family targets of fake news from foreign ‘state-funded’ bot farms

https://www.thetimes.com/article/55f36fcb-61c1-4aee-a011-8fecd0c67d13?shareToken=980b94d6bf040d57dfc96243aa4edf70

The targeted one was probably the tip of the AIceberg.

An inquiring mind might wonder what part the UK may - or may not - have played in such actions ? I mean chocking the spew of misdisinformation seems a good use of a precious defence budget.

Possibly with the help of other European countries ?

Oh yes, I remember now. Redwood always was one of the biggest troublemakers.

I suspect he would have been rather Trussian as a PM.

It's hard not to see him as a proto Jacob Rees Mogg now. Clearly they had to remove some charm, intelligence and empathy after the trials.

😂

Andy Burnham has really gone up in my estimation this weekend.

Is anyone else following the Crisis what crisis thread?
Informative and terrifying so don't go there if you are of an anxious disposition.

What a mess

Labour says Farage copying his asylum crackdown policy from Restore Britain - while Tories claim plan is same as theirs

It was never going to happen. Not after Major told those dissenting to "put up or shut up".

The two Normans supported Redwood in his miserable campaign. Step forward Lamont and Tebbit. How did this dismal triangle hope to win?

I’m pleased to see his willingness to grasp the Brexit/EU issue.

I rather think the politicians have lagged behind the public in acknowledging the damage done to the economy. A lot of tip toeing around hurt feelings.

I imagine Burnham is influenced by the curdling mess of Trump explicitly allying with Putin. The diesel deal cut to save his mid term election just as the Iranian backed Houthis increase their attacks on Saudi. Iran of course also backed by Russia. Trump can’t swing to Saudi’s defence because of the mid terms so Saudi will turn to Pakistan and Turkey for additional support.

In amongst this sprawling mess our relationship with the EU will be crucial.

The diesel deal cut to save his mid term election just as the Iranian backed Houthis increase their attacks on Saudi. Iran of course also backed by Russia.

Especially when Canada could easily supply more than Russia ....

Ah, yes, America's great enemy, Canada!

Oh wow, Jenrick is proposing Reform would instruct the Royal Marines to use lethal force to stop small boats, murder asylum seekers.

Vile man