How can we increase respect for women

[Flufffluff11]

I've had a lot of chats with male friends and acquaintances about this lately.

A lot of them told me that boys are taught to disrespect girls, from many influejces, from a young age to a point where they don't see women as human.

So if a woman tries to say how life needs to be improved for women. If she tries to talk to men about feeling uncomfortable or scared on a walk alone through a town for example, men don't listen because their brain automatically thinks of the woman "as not even human" . They are also under pressure to look manly in front of each other, and some of them do this by disrespecting women in front of other men

Again, not all men. But the crime rate against women is huge. Men are not going to change, as it doesn't affect them negatively. I'm really interested in talking to other women about this.

How can we raise respect of women in society, in general?

Op, I’m sorry that your thread was hijacked by men and NAMALT handmaidens

Anyway back to the discussion, which was actually interesting.

Its really best to simply ignore such obvious attempts to bait tbh

Nope.

Thank you. Let's just ignore them.

Yes discussion online can definitely cause change out in the world

To a certain extent I get your point as when I think about the actual men in my life, they are human just the same as me, they may seem to have some inherently unfair views but these views have changed over time and also changed when a good logical argument and my perspective as a woman has been put forward. If we take the attitude that men are inherently bad it is not helpful or fair. All the men I know are completely appalled at violence against women even if they have not always held views that would pass the highest test of political correctness. Most men I know genuinely care for the women in their lives and vice versa, this is the reality

Happy to be ignored. Carry on in your lovely echo chamber.

It comes from the top - don't vote for Buffoons like Johnson and Trump. If you want positive male role models at the top of the societal tree, voting is where you start and finish. Men who respect women. Men who model good behaviour. Men who lead by example. Voting is such an overlooked civil act that leads to incredibly damaging and damaged societies when ignored.... I would say that's the singularly most important thing if you want to change how society operates and what is deemed acceptable. Vote wisely, because thes men (inevitably) get immense power to change the narrative.

Sad to say but I've come across a lot of bad behaviour from women in the past 15 years too, and seen some appalling lack of manners taught to girls of primary age. It's not just boys - it's both sexes that are not being taught basic decency and manners and respect.

Why do you think assuming 50% of the population are inheritantly evil and out to get you (the victim) will effect any change?
And being rude to anyone with a different opinion?

All the men I have met are definitely not appalled at violence against women. One man told me that "men enjoy power over women" Another man told me that he "likes Andrew Tate and the manosphere.

As we all know a small amount of men compared to the actual amount of men in the world, I think it's important to look at what men are saying in bigger numbers.

On Instagram, news sites are publishing posts about how UK schools are now introducing classes, teaching boys to respect girls.

I read the hundreds of comments from men under these Instagram posts. They were all against these respect classes. They said that it wasn't needed. They wrote That it was insulting to men. Hundreds of them wrote 'but what about men, this is insulting to men's Many wrote that white British men don't rape women at all, only immigrant men do.

Out of hundreds and hundreds of posts I only saw one man write that it was a good idea. That it needs to be introduced to lower the high rate of crime against women in the UK. Then of course loads of men online started insulting him

Maybe start by talking with your male friends and acquaintances as I don’t know one male who believes boys are taught to disrespect women and girls.

Again no one wrote that anywhere. You just made that up.

It's probably men that need to be more urgently taught respect... As the crime rate from men to women is very high in the U.K.

The government are now introducing initiatives to try to lower this crime rate

What do you think about the Government trying to lower the high crime rate this year: of men attacking women

That's a good point.

I can’t relate to this in my own experience of raising sons. They’ve been brought up to respect everyone equally, regardless of gender, and I believe that starts at home.

They don’t treat people differently because they’re women and they naturally see them as their equal. It wouldn’t occur to them to do otherwise. I wouldn’t want to be treated differently in any way simply because I’m a woman and I’m not entitled to any more respect or special treatment than a man.

Anything that reduces VAWG isn’t a bad thing.
You should be asking the male friends and acquaintances who you have got your information from.

I also think men don't see a lot of what goes on as it doesn't happen to them.

I was telling two different male acquaintances about my recent trip to London. I told them that I got shouted at by two different men in London on the same day. This was in broad daylight, by two different men on different streets.

The first one said 'oh that's the type of thing that I don't see happening so I don't know much about it'

The second one said 'really? You got shouted at? '

Asking them what specifically? I've asked them a lot of stuff

Not talking about your son specifically.

But you don't see your sons in every situation . My male cousin definitely behaves a lot better in front of his mother, then when she is not there

Do you think some men are actually oblivious to the threat they pose to women? I feel like some seem to have genuinely no idea that crossing over when a woman is on her own is a thing, or they deem themselves as no risk; we are not mind readers, esp if also been through bad experiences (if that makes any sense whatsoever)! I honestly think some just walk around completely oblivious of anything outside of themselves.

I work in a school, and have accompanied school trips and other activities with 13-16 year old boys. It's clear that when they get to a certain age, boys, especially in groups just stop listening to women. Especially middle-aged, mum-shaped women. But they absolutely can hear men. Especially tall, beardy, fit men who demand their respect. My male colleage - who fits this description to a T - is able to get and keep their attention because they want his approval, desparately. When he was pissed off and shouted, they backed down, tails between their legs, and listened. When he congratulated or thanked them for anything, it was stars in their eyes, fist bumps, high fives, pushing to get close to him. When I told them off their eyes glazed over and they literally tuned me out. I have two sons aged 15 and 18 so I am used to dealing with boys and I am no pushover - but their gaze / attention is on the dominant male in the group.

At that age male primates are moving into the adult male world and they need role models. They need good strong male role models who show them how to treat women with respect, and who will clip them round the ear when they step out of line. But that depends on older men not being shithead Andrew Tate types, or Donald Trump types, or.. I could go on.

So @Flufffluff11 I'm afraid I don't agree with you that this is a problem women can solve. Maybe we could stop having babies with total shitheads but one glance at the relationship pages shows you that's not going to happen any time soon. This is a men problem. I've done what I can to make my boys respectful to women. But there is a whole world out there teaching them that they don't have to be - and that in fact they will be rewarded for being the opposite of respectful.

Misandry is rife on here.
A lot of us on here are mothers to sons, thats where respect begins.........