Lindsay Clancy confession

[Midnightmoonface]

How do you feel about the confession from Lindsay Clancy only being made after the professionals told her what she did upon coming around from her coma?

I definitely thought she made a confession, but it seems like there’s a huge doubt on that detail actually. It seems like when she woke she didn’t remember anything, and she was “informed” of what she had done and her confession followed this.

I have bipolar 2 and have experienced psychosis. Most of what I know about my 2 episodes of psychosis is through what I was
told by my DH.

ETA- I have no reason to think my DH is lying, but I have no way of verifying if what he told me is true.

I’m not sure how that relates to a legal confession.

My point was if you don’t remember something, or have no knowledge of it, and someone else then told you what happened, and you repeat that, is that a confession that you have made?

My point is that I may well ‘confess’ based on what my DH told me. Even to law enforcement etc. I do believe it is possible that LC did the same. ETA- I think in such a situation it would be wrong to take a confession as the truth

@plims just seen your edit now. That’s it though, normally there would be no reason for your DH to lie, but also you can’t verify that it’s true.

It wasn’t her DH that told her but someone involved in the police I think, so probably more reason for her to believe what they told her to be true is true.

Just seems weird that quite a lot has hung on Lindsay’s testimony and confession and now it turns out she was just repeating what she was told.

I'm fed up with this trial now. Its been totally hyjacked by misogynists and feminists with everyone now suddenly an expert on murder investigation and psychosis. Almost like everyone has totally forgotten about the three young victims.

You don’t need to comment if you aren’t interested in the topic.

No one has forgotten the victims. But the truth is this trial is shining a light on the horrendous lack of accountability by the mental health professionals involved and the persistent lack of knowledge, understanding and support for women experiencing mental health issues.

I have a family member with bipolar, they have no idea what they did during psychosis. Until you see psychosis first hand you have no idea how terrifying it is.

You’re right that there is a lack of support for women experiencing serious mental health difficulties. That is precisely why LC found herself in this situation.

What surprises me is that you can acknowledge that lack of support, yet are unable to recognise the serious effects of it. Her children are dead as a result of that kind of attitude.

Nothing that I’ve said suggests I don’t understand the seriousness of it all. Nothing. What an odd comment!

I had very severe post natal depression after having my dd 23 years ago so I’m very interested in the trial, I’ve been following it live every day but that doesn’t mean I don’t acknowledge the absolute horror of the deaths of the children.

There is an existing ongoing thread here -

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5565097-lindsay-clancy-trial?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

I agree with you that the whole thing is hanging on her confession.

PND is not psychosis so in this context isn’t relevant.

I haven’t forgotten the victims. I’m pretty confident Lindsey Clancy hasn’t forgotten her children. I’m not at all confident she “did it”. She is surrounded by a tight web of people who did little to nothing to help a husband /a psychiatrist /a whole hospital /CVS or whatever pharmacy she was using which should have flagged her meds/ an ER doctor who doesn’t remember anything at all about Lindsey as a patient a D.A who never investigated the crime scene and now lives in her house. Thank God for Shreddington who is actually working to help her.

I have found this whole thing so hard. I can’t imagine what it must be to lose three children and be told it happened at your own hands after so long of begging for help.

I think Patrick Clancy is a despicable man. The way he has behaved before the children’s deaths and after is shameful. I don’t care if saying that makes me a ‘misandrist’ or whatever, I stand by it. Those poor kids. I hope this means that there are changes to the way women’s health is viewed, we do not take it seriously enough.

Of course it’s relevant. The whole case is about maternal and post natal mental health, including whether she had severe postpartum depression and / or psychosis. If you don’t knows that’s what they’re discussing you haven’t been watching the trial.

I think it’s extremely telling that the first thing she asked when she woke up in hospital was whether she needed a lawyer. If she had no recollection of what she’d done surely she wouldn’t essentially be asking if she needed to protect herself. After all, how did she know what she needed to protect herself from if she apparently doesn’t remember it?

Theres so many different opinions on this case and so many conspiracy theories. Personally I think she’s guilty as sin and is doing an excellent job of pulling the wool over peoples eyes. Other people think she was truly in psychosis and then further down the rabbit hole there are those who believe her ex husband and his now wife did it and framed her. Whatever the truth may be it’s getting lost behind what has become a circus. Three young children died yet it’s now a whodunit for the internet sleuths.

I don’t think this element is really telling of anything, I’m pretty sure being chained the bed and the armed guard led her to believe a lawyer might be useful! I don’t think it’s any sort of proof of premeditated murder. But also it wasn’t the first thing that happened when she woke up either.

This is a genuine question. Other than section her and remove the children from her care for an indefinite amount of time, what else were they meant to do? Nothing seemed to be working, and I'd argue that this woman had much more understanding and care than the average mental health patient receives in the US. She had family support, adequate health insurance, the ability to take extended leave from work without being fired, childcare, access to a wide variety/choice of professionals, various alternative treatment options, and various medications. Additionally, there have been some glaring inconsistencies in what she reported to various psychiatrists and therapists both before and after the crime (which were highlighted yesterday during testimony).

She had childcare is a bit over reaching though, the nanny was there for 3 morning a week for a period of 3 months and it was only for Lindsay to go back to work. They did a few weeks to adjust the children to the nanny, then Lindsay’s RTW changed a few times and ultimately when it was clear Lindsay couldn’t return to her previous job the nanny was let go. Lindsay was often with the children too and the nanny largely operated as a mother’s help role. She didn’t do all the childcare even for the time she was working.
She wasn’t swanning around while her children were out of the house in daycare all week.

Not go skiing three days after you were told that your wife had had intrusive thoughts about harming your children?

This. She told a forensic psychiatrist that she heard an external male voice, not to be confused with intrusive internal thoughts, telling her to harm her children and that the voice was only present moments before and during the time that they were being harmed. The psychiatrist has stated that it’s very rare for auditory hallucinations to present in that way. Someone who is experiencing auditory hallucinations typically experiences them intermittently and over a period of time. There is evidence of malingering.

This isn’t even mentioning the fact that there is evidence that she took the time to research how long it would take for Patrick to make it back before she sent him to get food from the ThreeV restaurant, a restaurant they had eaten at before but had never ordered takeaway from before because it was further away from their home, and CVS. She told multiple psychiatrists that the auditory hallucination didn’t start until Patrick had already left the house, but there is suggestion that she already had this planned out before he left the home. The idea is that she sent him to that specific restaurant because she knew it would take longer for him to arrive home. She needed enough time to be able to do what she is accused of having done.

It seems highly unlikely that one would pick a restaurant 10 mins away if you were planning to murder 3 children and kill yourself in that time. Why would she have called CVS to check ahead if they had the medication? Wouldn’t you pick something they might not have easily had in stock if you wanted to buy some time?

What wouild her motive be if this this pre meditated murder

Or actually even if it was a spur of the moment murder?

The medications she was on were not a good concoction. That mixture would never be allowed to happen in the UK. The medics failed her.

(I also think P very sketchy to say the least)