Labour isn't Working - Thread 38

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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@Pacificbeach , they clearly don’t care about babies. They just don’t get it. Many women don’t breast feed, for a variety of reasons. Why do they feel they should?

It is perverse and should be outlawed.

It’s certainly perverse. And offensive. But TBH I think it’s just laughable nonsense that sensible people should point at and scoff.

Poor babies indeed.

In the dm arricle the boy said he had come from Algeria where it is bad ,then to tunisia and finally to Morocco and then Spain .

I think internatlioanlky via the UN..useless as it seems to be that pressure needs to be brought on these counties to do better.

We need to start getting tougher with them

They need to make their countries work properly we can't carry the can for the fact they aren't and people are desperate to escape.

And also stop the tax-payer funding.

Yes, definitely. But while it goes on it really deserves ridicule. That’s the best way to diminish its effect and shame the distributors of tax-payers’ money into stopping.

I read an interesting post this morning, apparently now that the hordes of reporters have descended on Ceuta, they're having to be a bit more circumspect:

"As I predicted: "Minutes later, a man wearing official credentials arrived at the beach to address the migrants. Dozens surrounded him and began chanting cheerfully, “A-si-lo, a-si-lo” — “asylum, asylum” — in the hope that he had the power to help grant them sanctuary." 400 migrants from sub-Saharan Africa are hanging out on a beach in Ceuta. These migrants have no homes to return to just across the border and are going to stay no matter what. They have to stay on the beach because the Ceuta "migrant reception center" is already completely full. Even if they don't get asylum, all of these men will be allowed to stay in Spain for months, if not years, provided they can get into the system before being induced to leave Ceuta. With reporters there, Spanish authorities can no longer take aggressive measures to eject them, and will almost certainly be forced to provide them basic humanitarian assistance. The reporter interviews men from Senegal and Sudan. Many EU countries designate Senegal as a safe country of origin. But unlike most EU countries, Spain doesn't have a list of "safe countries of origin" which makes it much easier to deport people. Instead, officers are required to perform an individualized case-by-case review of each asylum request. And even if a migrant is denied asylum, he will get "subsidiary protection" -- an effective ban on deportation back home because deporting him to, e.g. Nigeria or Senegal could endanger him because those countries have bad human rights records. "Subsidiary protection" is the unsung villain of mass migration to Europe. Most illegal immigrants in fact lose their asylum claims, but are allowed to remain because their home countries have bad human rights records and/or have military conflicts in some part of their territory. So thousands of illegal immigrants have in fact just entered the EU for good. And every success story they send back by FaceTime will induce 10 more young men to start out on their own journey."

https://x.com/AndrewHammel1/status/2083821550629728671

It's an aberration of nature. Vomit inducing

Is this the global reset ramping up to even higher levels?

DH said that rumours are ramping up that Restore and Reform are interested in some kind of merger. Sorry I don't have any more than that.

I think it should be asylum, legal migration channels or nothing. Yes it’s terrible that some countries have bad human rights. That’s what organisations like Amnesty are supposed to be fighting against, not persecuting women for not wanting to share spaces with men. If they get here to claim asylum and the claim fails because it has no merit I think they should be deported.

And I don’t think I’m unusual, cruel or “far right” in that view.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/ac15b843-f9ce-4f52-a070-e652dcadfd36?shareToken=72332598db90f43f93a2c6a6444fe698&ver=article

"The leader of Restore Britain, Rupert Lowe, has offered Nigel Farage a deal to unite the “patriotic right” of British politics, as there is evidence that his party is damaging Reform UK’s electoral prospects."

I can't say that Lowe's list of demands is massively appealing to me. We really don't need a referendum on the death penalty, IMO. Hideous idea.

Brave person wanting a referendum on the death penalty! Brexit caused enough division.
I Can imagine it would be a resounding yes though. I am not sure that’s a good thing as mistakes do happen and how would it all be policed ? Death row in the prisons ?

Agree and I fully oppose the death penalty unconditionally, but it’s popular with a lot of right and centre right voters. Many would say only for particularly heinous crimes but anecdotally (and I think polls confirm this) I would say a large number of people would like it back on the table for some things.

Thank you @RoseInAPot for the article. What have Jenrick and Braverman done to upset Lowe and has Lowe run his demands past his party?

As for the death penalty I think few have the appetite for that in western society.

Isn’t Lowe just taking the opportunity to wind up Farage there though? There’s no love lost there.

I'd bloody hope it wouldn't be a resounding yes. I think I'd despair at the state of the country if it was.

It's obvious that the death penalty isn't a deterrent when you look at the states in the US which still have it.

Definitely not a policy I could get behind.

Me neither.

I'm not sure about centre right voters wanting it. I'm pretty centrist with both left and right leanings. I'd say that centrists are more moderate than that (or maybe I'm only thinking about what I'm like!).

I do believe it would be yes to the death penalty.
I haven’t any sources or stats, but I bet people would if they had the chance to vote on it.

Like I said, not for everyone. The likes of Huntley, the Wests or Rudakabana.

Here's a YouGov poll from the back end of last year: yougov.com/en-gb/articles/53343-do-britons-support-the-return-of-corporal-and-capital-punishment

I think to have a strong opposition to it people have generally thought about deeply in more abstract, philosophical terms, that it’s wrong for the state to kill someone. Most people haven’t, and they see someone they perceive as evil and they don’t care. Look at how many people celebrated Huntley’s murder.