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Labour isn't Working - Thread 38

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Nuthatch26 · 29/07/2026 12:11

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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NoWordForFluffy · Yesterday 13:15

GiaGia16 · Yesterday 12:51

“Mother of the House” according to some on certain threads

She is. It's a parliamentary term for the female MP with the longest uninterrupted service: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_of_the_House_(United_Kingdom)

GiaGia16 · Yesterday 13:45

NoWordForFluffy · Yesterday 13:15

She is. It's a parliamentary term for the female MP with the longest uninterrupted service: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_of_the_House_(United_Kingdom)

Ok thanks for explaining that! I thought it meant something different ie that she was caring and maternal 😂

NoWordForFluffy · Yesterday 14:14

GiaGia16 · Yesterday 13:45

Ok thanks for explaining that! I thought it meant something different ie that she was caring and maternal 😂

Edited

It would have been a slight misnomer if that were the case! 😬🤣

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LieborCookin · Yesterday 14:17

Re dianne maybe she is caring and maternal and like many of us put her own child first the difference was a spectauclar leap that she had to educate her son privetly but no one else has that excuse !

NoWordForFluffy · Yesterday 14:38

LieborCookin · Yesterday 14:17

Re dianne maybe she is caring and maternal and like many of us put her own child first the difference was a spectauclar leap that she had to educate her son privetly but no one else has that excuse !

In the context of 'Mother of the House' though, surely those traits would be demonstrated to fellow MPs, not your own child?

GiaGia16 · Yesterday 14:41

NoWordForFluffy · Yesterday 14:38

In the context of 'Mother of the House' though, surely those traits would be demonstrated to fellow MPs, not your own child?

Yes I had a vision of her offering cups of tea to MPs after they had had a roasting

SapphireCasino · Yesterday 14:57

There's a Father of the House too.

GiaGia16 · Yesterday 15:22

SapphireCasino · Yesterday 14:57

There's a Father of the House too.

@SapphireCasino who is that?

MNLurker1345 · Yesterday 15:48

Custardapples · Yesterday 12:46

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. If I understand you correctly I think you are saying you don’t want safe and legal routes to asylum but you would be willing to consider this in the case of refugees from conflict but only on the strictest possible terms. On the Danish model I feel uncomfortable about the idea we would imprison victims of torture and force them to work for 80 cents an hour under threat of punishment. On the religious persecution point I ask because I often hear people talk about this being a Christian country but there are persecuted Christians who could be welcomed here but are not. I also wonder about our past history with Jewish refugees and whether we will look back with pride on our record of protecting persecuted groups or not.

On third country processing I’m really interested that people still see that as an answer when a lot of research indicates it would be ineffective as a deterrent and that many people sent to third countries are back in the people trafficking system in a relatively short time. I ask about safe and legal routes to asylum because I find many people are under a misapprehension about these and think that there are routes available that actually don’t exist. I have also found that there are misunderstandings around these third country solution as people assume ‘genuine’ asylum seekers would be able to come to the UK after their claims were processed when in fact they would be required to stay in Rwanda or wherever forever.

I’m not saying you’ve misunderstood- just that this is something I have come across.

On family reunification, would you include children in this?

On appeals I think it would benefit everyone if people didn’t spend years waiting to be able to appeal without being able to work and contribute legally.

On the grey economy, would you be in favour of allowing people to work and pay tax?

Thank you. I am trying to continue a good faith conversation and learn more about different perspectives.

@Custardapples, the points you make are all established, relevant and integral to the asylum debate and to wider questions of human rights, morality and law.

However, I don’t think your response addressed the core point of @strawberrybubblegum’s reply to your question about the right to claim asylum, even though @strawberrybubblegum, did respond to each of your individual points.

I took @strawberrybubblegum post to be making a valid point about the limits and long term sustainability of the asylum system.

So I’d be interested to know whether you can possibly see a point at which the asylum system becomes unsustainable, and if so what you think should happen.

It may be that you don’t believe such a point could ever arise, but I’d be interested in your view.

SapphireCasino · Yesterday 16:59

GiaGia16 · Yesterday 15:22

@SapphireCasino who is that?

Sir Edward Leigh at the mo.

GiaGia16 · Yesterday 17:11

SapphireCasino · Yesterday 16:59

Sir Edward Leigh at the mo.

Thank you.

LieborCookin · Yesterday 17:27

@Custardapples what are your thoughts on the imbalance of men women and children coming here ,thank you

SapphireCasino · Yesterday 17:42

GiaGia16 · Yesterday 17:11

Thank you.

I did that from memory, so I just checked it 😂 phew, I told you the correct thing!

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 19:25

Inevitable change coming:

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/13981ebd4242def6

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 19:28

It’s interesting that Spain can just kick them back out.

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 20:26

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 19:25

Inevitable change coming:

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/13981ebd4242def6

That's not good. We can expect another surge here then.
I thought it cost thousands for them to cross the channel. Surprised to read that its £500.

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strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 21:48

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 20:26

That's not good. We can expect another surge here then.
I thought it cost thousands for them to cross the channel. Surprised to read that its £500.

£500 to get here, then we give them £3,000 under the standard Voluntary Return Scheme (soon to rise to £10,000) to go home.

Average monthly salary in Morocco is £370. Sounds like a lucrative outing... 6 months salary for anyone - anyone at all - who fancies it. Soon to rise to 2 years salary. 40 million people in Morocco alone...

LieborCookin · Today 08:57

I know it's controversial but I think we need to leave the ehcr there are arguments over the Northern Island aspect and it can be done .

Anything can be done.
We must get rid.
I was reading a post on here from last year where a mum was saying the housing association put her in a flat that was too hot the air con wasn't working and her baby was sick due to the heat and they had been to hospital.
That tower block has been jn the news this year due to children hospitalised in the heat . Id rather that 10 grand go to helping families like that or putting in proper working air con !
Not to a strapping man eccomic Chancer gaming our ridiculous systems !!

Emma Hollis has been quoted in a schools weekly article questioning how teachers will be trained for the new tech side Burnham wants.
There are comments about the logistical challenges esp with this massive send reform going on as well.
It could cause utter chaos and she rightly points out just because someone is a specialist in somerhng technical it doesnt mean they can actually teach it so how will that work ?

LieborCookin · Today 08:57
  • Emma Hollis is the CEO of national teacher training association
Pacificbeach · Today 09:38

I saw posts on LinkedIn with pictures of men in black uniforms raising truncheons against olive skinned people in a Mediterranean type place. They claimed the police in Ceuta were attacking local Spanish protesters.

I wondered if it was true. I can’t imagine wanting to go on the streets and protest in this situation. With tens of thousands of people on the streets having broken in, I would probably stay in doors.

DancingFerret · Today 09:42

Pacificbeach · Today 09:38

I saw posts on LinkedIn with pictures of men in black uniforms raising truncheons against olive skinned people in a Mediterranean type place. They claimed the police in Ceuta were attacking local Spanish protesters.

I wondered if it was true. I can’t imagine wanting to go on the streets and protest in this situation. With tens of thousands of people on the streets having broken in, I would probably stay in doors.

The DM says the opposite is true:

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16022219/migrant-grasping-life-Spanish-enclave-gripped-fear-no-borders-utopians-IAN-GALLAGHER.html

A Spanish enclave gripped by fear. The no-borders crew should see this

While the EU praises the return of migrants and speaks of helping Spain restore 'effective control' of the border and prevent further uncontrolled crossings, many here remain unconvinced.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16022219/migrant-grasping-life-Spanish-enclave-gripped-fear-no-borders-utopians-IAN-GALLAGHER.html

Pacificbeach · Today 09:59

Thanks, that article is much more believable. LinkedIn has become bizarre.

MNLurker1345 · Today 10:14

@Pacificbeach, reading this has made so angry.

I am speechless!

Pacificbeach · Today 10:45

Me too. There is a lot of “off balance sheet” sort of activity that we need to get a democratic grip on.

The breast feeding stuff should be outlawed. Poor babies.

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