Where is Greta and Just Stop Oil when half of Europe is burring?

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Just that, really? Surely this would be the the right opportunity to actively campaign for something to be done about the climate change/ convert all non-believers? Where are these protesters, especially Saint Greta? Why they all gone quiet?

I think Just Stop Oil have disbanded.

You were literally just whinging that she WASN’T out protesting enough. Poor woman can’t win. Saving the planet isn’t entirely her responsibility. I think she has done her share at being abused and ignored now maybe someone else can have a go. Why are you so obsessed about her?

Greta is tackling the environmental and human crisis of the wars in the Middle East. Which is causing far more death and planetary damage (including global warming) than the wildfires.

8 arrests and 22 linked detentions for fires in Palermo in particular. I know that doesn't make it less awful but thought you'd like to know.

I had someone tell me today that "something deep in the Earth" was causing the fires. I mean WTF.

Um, the discharge of millions of tons of explosives directly worsens the climate crisis. Each year of the Gaza war has added 33 million tonnes on top of usual emissions.

To put this in perspective, this is like adding 5 million more people to the population of Israel and all the emissions they’d create.

This does not include all the other conflicts that are interlinked- Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Yemen. If we add that in too, it’s even more emissions.

This also doesn’t count the other pollution caused by war which are equally significant.

Was that before or after the suffragettes were engaging in letter bombing?

What a silly OP.

And silly subsequent posts too.

Integrity, eh?

and yet you don't get to decide which of her passions are the most important.

Your title asks where is Greta, how can your thread not be about Greta?

Because I care aobut lack of action from the (formally) powerful climate change complainers when we have a massive disaster in Europe.

But but the fires were set by human arson or negligence…how is that climate change? The Spanish firefighting is shit because governments there have privatised it and then frozen wages since 2008….how is that climate change?

Just guessing here, but perhaps the powerful climate change protesters have actually read the news and know a bit about why these fires started and that it’s not climate change that caused them.

I’m assuming they are spreading like wild fire due to the fact there has been no rain

People should have listened to them back then.

Activists do free work most of the time.

She’s done her job. She’s made us aware of climate change.

I actually do my part to spread awareness in my local community, not through that kind of activism, but through community activities and finding guilt free ways to talk about it whilst also teaching skills.

Mu question is, is there anything you can do to spread the word and get some action going?

there is only so much we can do as people, the big guys need to make big decisions for us to see change - but they care too much about profit.

This thread sounds like either a purposeful takedown of Greta (plenty of backhanded compliments and can't-win statements), or the spurned love of a parasocial relationship gone wrong - the loved celebrity dared to present as a human being with her own agency instead of an object to project the self onto. Either way, it's not very healthy.

FWIW, war contributes massively to environmental destruction. And many people find genocide pretty upsetting, actually, and worthy of urgent action. I'm not surprised Greta pivoted there.

She has literally been posting about the fires tonight. Wind your neck in.

What she is passionate about all comes under global politics and are somewhat linked. The issues she has engaged in have all been acute, she’s not jumping from issue to issue just for the hell of it and she is still very much a climate activist. Even though she threw her laptop to avoid giving the Israelis access to her and her organisation”s intel as that would have probably meant death for anyone who had aided them.

“Seeing the signs of dangerous climate breakdown in these wildfires has made me think much less of those who worked hard and put their life on hold in order (unsuccessfully) to try and prevent us from getting to this point. I therefore decided to start a thread slagging them off, rather than criticising those who use their platform to try and stop any action being taken.”

And as an example of the latter, Saturday’s Times front page had a massive headline scaremongering about net zero, with no mention of climate change, as if the policy had been introduced just for the LOLs - right above a photo of the fires. If singleminded commitment to one cause is what floats your boat, OP, you must love those newspapers and their hate for net zero and Ed Miliband.

I agree, to your last paragraph:

This is why we need to use our votes in local and national elections, get in the habit of writing to our MP, and joining non profits who campaign on these issues.

But what you've posted on Greta doesn't square with why then did she her jump on supporting the Indian Cockroach protests, albeit too late.

Why do you think they need to be anywhere? We all know the reason for climate change and the recent extreme weather events. We can all change our behaviour, we don't need to be prompted. We don't need a figurehead or protest groups. Relying on them is just side-stepping our own personal responsibilities.

How come? She joined the potest to highlight the power of people. It's precicely what she is encouraging and it's precisely what she has been trying to achieve ever since she started as a 15 year old.

I didn't think the key climate change issue is that protestors aren't doing enough. This is a pointless thread.

That’s really not a logical conclusion.
This thread is ridiculous.

My memory was that they were all told to fuck off a while back. Certainly most of MN would happily have rounded up all JSO protesters and exiled them to a remote island.

Why ? People starting to wonder if they had a point ?

In which case I fully agree - Greta backed the Cockroach Protest simply because it was a very strong example of the power of the people (I would disagree that it was to highlight it as it was already very well publicised at least in India).

So for Greta it is less about the cause and more about the cause being about "power of the people ". To achieve this she chooses already well publicised causes such as climate change or Gaza or Cockroach protests rather than less well publicised causes such as the slave trade in Sudan or slavery camps of Muslim minority Uyghur minorities in China.