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Terrified to go into my own garden..

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TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 16:33

I just want to preface this by saying that I’ve name changed and MNHQ will be able to verify that I’ve been on here a long while. Just pointing this out, as I’ll inevitably get troll hunted on this one as it makes very little sense! I assure you I have not left anything out whatsoever and I’m sorry it’s such a long post.

I’m a widowed parent of one 11yr old DD. I have a small-ish dog who thankfully doesn’t bark much (which is relevant to this situation).

2 years ago, my usually always very friendly & chatty next door neighbour, randomly blocked me from texting her - which I rarely ever did anyway tbh, only ever if there was a parcel here for her etc. The last time I’d spoken to her, everything had been great. I was utterly mystified but figured it’d be sorted eventually and I’d ask her when I saw her next. With it being winter I didn’t see her for a while and when I did, I was ignored. Really odd but ok…. Maybe I or DD had made some noise? Although she has always assured me vehemently that she can’t hear anything from our side but even so, I don’t allow DD to make noise for my own sake as well as that of others!

Last summer, there were a few occasions when I was in my back garden (6ft fence with vertical planks with small gaps in between) and neighbour’s Dad who was there, shouted over at me. Once when I was taking a photo of a random plant which had popped up so I could identify it, he shouts “Come round if you want to take photos, you fat fuck!” Now, I should’ve asked WTF he was talking about and corrected him but I was too stunned to speak! Another time I got called a “sad pathetic loser” when I was cutting sweet pea flowers off my trellis on our adjoining fence. Followed by him saying to his daughter “Don’t worry she’s obviously got no life” Again, I hugely regret not saying something back and asking what on earth I’m meant to have said or done wrong. But having escaped extremely violent DV, I just don’t have the strength to confront any male and probably never will. It’s fight or flight and I flee. Until today, that is.

Around the end of last year, the neighbour got a dog of their own and despite my calling my dog in every single time, theirs still barks loudly every single time he sees my dog through the fence. I’ve tried putting tarpaulin up on the adjoining fence to prevent their dog seeing mine but nope, it still keeps happening. Thankfully my dog doesn’t usually bark back and if he does, it’s one singular woof to show his displeasure, then he comes in!
About 2 months ago, I wrote neighbour herself a letter (as she just blanks me when I try speaking to her face to face) explaining that I’ve absolutely zero clue what I’ve done to upset her, apologised if it’s noise (though I really don’t think it is, as DD & I are quiet people and when DD is at school, I’m often asleep or at hospital) and explaining that I only have about 12-14 months left to live due to an autoimmune disorder which she actually knows I have, that I want to spend what time I have left with my child in peace and just want to be left alone and politely requested that they stop slamming their front door as it was making us both jump a mile and was affecting DD at school when it happens during the night. I was very polite and promised to do what I can on my part to try and mitigate the situation with her dog seeing mine through the fence (which I have done, I put tarpaulin up but clearly I need to add more!)

Fast forward to a few weeks ago and now her Dad is seemingly living there and is making mine & my daughter’s lives a living hell.
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I open one of my French doors and either let my dog out for a wee or I dare to step out into my own garden, not only does their dog bark like mad at mine (who now just ignores theirs as he’s used to it!) I get “Oh for fuck’s sake!” or her little boy goes running inside shouting “Mum, Granddad, she’s in her garden again!!!” followed by “Oh for fuck’s sake! Fucking typical!” It’s got to the point where I’m genuinely anxious to go into my own garden and I’m not exaggerating and I’m a keen gardener! I can’t even nip to my greenhouse to get some lettuce without a “Oh for fuck’s sake, fat fuck is out again!” 😳
Last week, I had to mow the lawn as it was the first day I’d had in weeks where I was well enough to do it and they were having a BBQ (I don’t think there were any guests but I decided to be as quick as possible anyway) and well, he was fuming and they went storming inside, slamming the door. I don’t know what was said as I had the mower on but heard door slam. That one was probably my fault for mowing whilst they were having a BBQ but if I’d waited until the next time I was well enough, the grass would’ve been too long to mow!

Another thing which I’ve been ignoring in the hope that it naturally settles (and to avoid confrontation with him), is the fact that their dog barks the ENTIRE TIME he is left in the house alone. Barks loudly and howls. So bad that me making a phone call is nigh on impossible. It’s often overnight also, so that is hell for DD especially. This happened today and I’ve taken to recording clips of it just in case it’s needed in future. When it finally stopped, presumably as he came home, the first thing I did, was quietly let DDog out as I’d kept him in during the barking due to the noise coming from their side. Well, this was a mistake as their dog saw mine and erupted - as per usual! Mine didn’t bark back at all but DD grabbed the treat tub and told him to come in for obvious reasons and neighbour’s Dad shouts “FUCKING TWATS!!!!!” over the fence. Now I have never, ever responded to ANY of it but having just endured hours upon hours of their Alsation barking and howling I snapped and said, calmly, “Your dog has been barking all day!!!” to which he shouts “Because of you! YOU’RE CAUSING IT!!!” “Every fucking day you’re in your garden” I reply “And?!” At which point he slams their door and my DD bursts into tears and call me pathetic but so did I. I’m at my wits end. This is my home. My DD’s home and this is almost certainly the last summer of my life. My only hobby is quietly (& I do mean quietly) pottering around in my garden deadheading flowers or pruning roses etc.

  • I don’t ever have visitors besides my 82yr old mother (she’s my only remaining family besides DD) and what friends do bother with me, I just have catch up coffees with in Costa!
  • I don’t play music in my home or my garden. If I listen to a podcast or LBC, it’s on earphones.
  • My dog rarely barks and if he does, it’s only a tiny bit if he is barked at! He did once bark at an Owl ornament I bought but in his defence, it did blink at night time!!
  • I do not speak on the phone in the garden as everyone around me would hear and despite this massive long post, I am quite a quiet person usually!
  • DD is rarely in the garden (more’s the pity!) she prefers gaming! She used to play out front on her scooter with some kids from up the street but she’s been too frightened to, since neighbour’s Dad aggressively told her to “Piss off” once about a year ago when he’d arrived about 5 mins after neighbour had left the house and so, being 9, she told him. Who tells a 9yr old to piss off?

I have reported today’s incident to non-emergency police. However a. Officer won’t be free to talk to me until the end of next week which I’m sad about tbh. I could’ve used the advice as right now, I’m terrified to even let my dog out for a wee, let alone step into my garden.
Again, having escaped extreme DV, it’s very difficult for me to not default to flight mode. I’m still shaking and this happened 2 hours ago. Pathetic, I know. I already struggle with anxiety.

Sorry this was so long but I didn’t want to miss anything out and have to correct people or be accused of drip feeding!

There’s nothing I can do, is there?

OP posts:
ChopstickNovice · Today 20:03

I am so sorry this is happening and am enraged on your behalf.

TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 20:03

Tiptopflipflop · Today 19:39

Do they ever say anything about your medical condition? If so the police might agree to treat it as a disability hate crime and it should be taken much more seriously. I imagine their housing association would also take it more seriously in that situation too. Have you told the police how vulnerable you are? They may come more quickly.

Not that I’ve heard.

OP posts:
TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 20:04

Francestein · Today 19:30

I wonder if dad has moved in illegally and is intimidating OP so that he can scare her off and get her house….

Ooooh you might be onto something there

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TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 20:05

worldshottestmom · Today 19:39

Where do you live? I'll fucking visit them for you, bricks and all.

Harrogate, North Yorkshire

OP posts:
fashionqueen0123 · Today 20:09

I’d play loud music in my garden. Let the dog out. Don’t give shit about them. They don’t about you. They rely on you cowering to them.

fashionqueen0123 · Today 20:11

TotallyTangerineGeum · Today 18:00

😧 Seriously? Thank you for telling me this, I had no idea. This is the helpful info I needed

You could email your Mp with all of this
now. Copy and paste what you’ve written here to get started.

Make sure you put your postcode at the end of the email

BippidyBoppety · Today 20:12

Just to add, if you do install cameras you can only cover your own house and garden. You can't angle them to observe other properties - it's a whole GDPR can of worms
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-the-use-of-domestic-cctv/domestic-cctv-using-cctv-systems-on-your-property

Guidance on the use of domestic CCTV

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-the-use-of-domestic-cctv/domestic-cctv-using-cctv-systems-on-your-property

WonderWomanAndHerLassoOfTruth · Today 20:15

Does Harrogate have a town council? Google the Chairman and email them too, also email your North Yorkshire County Councillor - copy everyone in, same email as the MP, just copy them in - sooner the better. More chance of councillors picking it up outside office hours probably.

Flumposie3 · Today 20:15

Hi op. I am totally enraged over this. And guess what, I live in Harrogate. I am near the showground . I love gardening too.

YourJoyousDenimExpert · Today 20:16

Really sorry this is happening to you- and pleased you have had some good advice.
My OH used to work for a HA and he said to diarise all the abusive and intimidating behaviour as the HA will be more concerned by that than their noisy dog. So if you feel you can’t manage it all- do document every insult or intimidating comment that is made. A Ring or Blink camera is a great idea. Really hope you can get some support from the HA and your MP. 💐

Gemstar3 · Today 20:17

OP are you by any chance talking about the Costa next to the fancy pet food shop near the station? If so, big burly man I am not, but unphased by general cockwombles I am…and I potentially live round the corner. Happy to come grab you some tomatoes…DM me!

Asiana · Today 20:25

Record every time and press charges. That father should be sectioned.

mimosa5 · Today 20:30

I am so sorry. This sounds absolutely horrendous. Claustrophobic and terrifying and I feel livid on your behalf. I have no good advice but am rooting for you that something is done about these vile people. You did the right thing telling the police. Sending lots of hugs to you and your daughter.

FancyBlueNewt · Today 20:33

Do you think we could club together and hire a brass band to play in OP's garden for a day? I'd donate.

upinaballoon · Today 20:33

WonderWomanAndHerLassoOfTruth · Today 20:15

Does Harrogate have a town council? Google the Chairman and email them too, also email your North Yorkshire County Councillor - copy everyone in, same email as the MP, just copy them in - sooner the better. More chance of councillors picking it up outside office hours probably.

I once had a smallish problem with County Council and District Council giving me the push-around. I sent the same e-mail to both of them, the Parish Council and my MP. You have to type 'only once'. Good luck with it. Your situation sounds horrid.

bettyrubble99 · Today 20:36

I'm completely different OP. I fear no man. My dad was 3 sheets to the wind, I have 3 brothers (no sisters) a husband & 4 sons. A pair of bollocks has never scared me. Infact, I get filled with a deep, irrational, burning rage at men like him.
Find your voice. Show your daughter how to behave when a man tries to throw his weight around. No violence. Just stand up for you and her. Set of bullies.

Diamondwindow · Today 20:38

Omg I am
so sorry this is happening. Get a Ring. Also get another one in case your Ring somehow gets mysteriously damaged or removed. Tapo cameras are cheap and you can put them inside the lack windows

Zapx · Today 20:45

I don’t think I’ve ever read a Mumsnet thread that has made me more angry on an OPs behalf. Wish I could help, if you want to go fund me a kickass speaker system for your garden OP so you can’t hear that vile bloke I’d happily donate.

palona · Today 20:50

This is tragic, and OP I am so sorry about your health status. As if you hadn't enough to deal with.

I see a pp mentioned laughing at him, I agree, but sometimes it's difficult to muster up the courage or the energy to do the laughing yourself. So I suggest you get a recording of the Laughing Policeman and play it every time neighbour from hell opens his mouth to you.

The hilarious mad laughing starts at 0.59 in this classic clip

Wishing you the best, and I hope you get some resolution to this awful situation.

Laura95167 · Today 20:55

Id ignore them. Its their problem if their dog barks. They can think whatever they like

Meanwhile id note all the incidents and report them to the police for harassment

thequeenoftarts · Today 20:55

Can you bake? Or even buy a few really nice cakes n sambos?
Local hells angels bike group
Stick a message into their online group, say you are having an issue with a very intimidating male neighbour and while you don't want it to turn nasty, a word to the wise would be appreciated and paid in tea, coffee and cake

TY78910 · Today 21:01

OP you have a week to record everything. From now on go in to your garden with a voice recorder switched on on your phone. You need proof that you’re being bullied in your own house.

MintSnail · Today 21:06

Just a thought... Why don't you and your daughter wear those very obvious bodycams the police and security people wear? With the big cross body belts? I bet Temu or Amazon do a fake one to avoid the expense while you record everything on your phone. This might freak them a little especially if you don't talk to them. I would blank them and disengage, don't react to anything they say. Build the 3 month log then act. This is utterly disgusting, abhorrent behaviour. This on them, not on you. I am so sorry you are going through this. I hope you get some peace from them and can enjoy your garden xxx

Dymaxion · Today 21:07

I would also contact your GP, specialist nurse, Consultant and ask them to describe how high levels of stress can have an impact on your condition, and then forward those to your MP.

MintSnail · Today 21:09

I also think inviting the local Hells Angels chapter over for tea is a good idea. I would be happy to organise this and turn up and bring some feral children over to play?