Labour isn't Working - Thread 36

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Christ knows. But if I was Burnham, I'd stick him somewhere he couldn't cause any trouble. There must be a non-role somewhere?

Yep the back benches.

These people have got way too much power
has any one rise seen Dale Vince storm out of Camilla tominey on Sunday ? Watch this bloody man he is a fucking fool and dangerous he’s cozying up to Burnham. How the hell did we get such fucking freaks everywhere that trans who wished Widdicombe a painful death still employed just fuck off

IMO Burnham’s fate will turn, and turn quite quickly and noisily, on the issue of government spending.

Drilling in the North Sea is a longer-term income stream. It matters a lot, but the markets will question it just as anyone would: how are you, PM Burnham, going to keep the public finances in order in the intervening years and afterwards?

If there’s no significant curb on government spending soon, the outlook is grim. And if there is a reduction Labour MPs will become very, very unhappy. They’re already pressing for a return to previous levels of overseas aid spending.

He can try to do what most PMs would do: talk up gesture schemes to try to make people think he’s spending and making a difference, yet quietly trim spending elsewhere. But the pressures are too great now to get away with that. Plus an increased tax burden will have its own big political and economic downside, not least a brake on growth.

This could soon get turbulent politically if the shiny new King has to disappoint his courtiers. Buckle up.

I listened to the podcast.

So, which taxes are we predicting are going to get the Burnham treatment ASAP?

CGT, IHT and Council?

Absolutely.

There’s evidently some real fucking nasty people amongst the left. The Greens need to be consigned to history, and quickly.

It’s merely a totem pole for all the fringe nutjobs and wannabe anarchists, with a grievance. They would not last five minutes in the real world.

I’m really not sure. But I work on the basis that those with higher incomes and asset wealth - including real property - will bear the brunt, so the more affluent parts of the country will be squeezed.

That would seem to me to benefit the Tories much, much more than Reform. (I think we can disregard the modern LibDems in any election in which tax burden plays a big part.)

Perhaps Burnham’s legacy will be as the man who resurrected the Tory Party.

CGT and land tax, I think.

It’s going to get nasty - especially when there is no reform to welfare and immigration.

Couple of podcast recommendations from me, as per:

TRIM interview with Jim O’Neill on choices Burnham will have to make at Treasury: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-rest-is-money/id1703785141?i=1000776511257

Last nights Newscast was also interesting. They drew attention to the way the police statements re Anne Widdecombe’s murder have been worded. Without speculating too much they thought the wording suggested that the terrorism offences may be separate - ie they found unrelated stuff whilst searching the property.

Oh no!
That’s where trouble starts!

I said that to my friend, that the terrorism charges may have come about from a device / house search, not necessarily in relation to the murder itself.

It just dawned on me yesterday I did glossy glos to Wakefield for 10 years quickest time it took 3.5 hours Sunday am at 6 am mostly it was 4/5 hours then you add on 2.5 hours to Dartmoor from here. It just didn’t happen he left at 8 am murdered AW at 12.21 approx it’s impossible what the bloody hell are they hiding now !

Yes, it will be uncomfortable, I think. But don't forget they need to work out who to tax in order to pay benefits to others!

I agree with you re the Greens. They're an appalling bunch of extremists these days. Concerning how many people say they support them really.

Agreed. Time to buckle up.

Apparently there is a collation of "anyone but ed for chancellor " across business and city so why does he or anyone think he can be our chancellor? The entitlement and arrogance is astounding.

Hopefully he will call a snap election and with reform waning the conservatives can get in again.

Labour MP on Burnham’s husting last night - ‘nice guy but not much substance and a bit vacuous and disappointing’

ouch

I still maintain that Reform's support is wide but shallow. The council elections seemed to show a picture of loads of seats, but disproportionately few councils taken over (I know not every council was 'all out' mind).

We were predicted to go Reform in Southport, but actually while we turfed Labour out, the LDs were the winners. Reform won 4 seats.

I think with FPTP, Reform don't perform well with seat numbers.

Last time they got 14.3% of the vote and 5 seats (the Tories got 23.7% and 121). Reform need electoral reform (ha!) to succeed. IMO.

Whereas the Greens have pockets of popularity, such as Bristol, Brighton etc and their voting intention stats are skewed by these areas.

Voting prediction % don't necessarily translate into seats with FPTP. And, with a waning vote share, the chance drop more.

Burnham has trotted into the PM role without any examination of his ability.
Makes a mockery of the real life process of having to show you have the ability to do a job.

I suspect that the majority who did not back Labour are looking on in morbid fascination, just waiting for open season on this PM with the least credible mandate in history. He wasn't even an MP when the last election was won, let alone a shadow minister.

I doubt he will last 12 months, especially if he pulls his LVT revolution out next for the bond markets. You can't upend the entire tax system and expect it all to go smoothly - the whole tax paying nation will have to totally rearrange their affairs and accounting, it will be pandemonium.

If only Labour politicians had experience of real things like, you know, paying tax….

@DenizenOfAisleOfShame i can't understand the over seas aid budget stuff we give 50 million to pakistan !
50 million !!

Part of the Green’s appeal lies in the anti-Israel vote. I see that Burnham spoke about Gaza recently in an attempt to placate that faction. But they cannot be satisfied with a few words. Starmer tried it and failed by recognising Palestine (although to his credit he did also speak about the right of Israel to defend itself).

I still think Labour’s in big trouble in constituencies with a big Muslim vote.

@Bullandbear agree it will be chaos and more problems for people who are being pushed to the absolute limits. We have had an awful twenty years from Blair / workers rights / the credit crisis / collation govs /austerity / Brexit /COVID and then Ukraine etc.
We need a government on our bloody side supporting us! Solving our problems with every single penny and sinew they have !not continually making life harder.

A Hail Mary.

Good film that : )

Better than the gov version