Preston Davey- sentences. Content warning - concerns CSA. (added my MNHQ)

[Fiddlesticks1]

Preston Davey - whole life term for murderer and 25 years for the partner.
Let’s hope and pray yet again things change so no more poor babies and children die.

I think, while they are all tragic, this has some very unusual elements. I am not aware of other cases of babies being raped to death. I am more than aware of how many children die, unfortunately.

Sadly I agree with you. I was trying to work out what could lead to such loss of control so quickly, and even really upset some posters on another thread by wondering if it was sleep deprovation. But the more details emerge, it seems it has nothing to do with loss of control and everything to do with intentional abuse of power.

I think both are correct.

Abusers choose to abuse.

However when they are in the middle of abusing, sometimes they seem to lose all sense of reason and completely lose control. Which results in them being in jail for the rest of their life.

I wouldn't be too sure it's a one off.

These two would likely not have been caught or the full extent of their depravity towards Preston revealed if Varley hadn't left his phone at home when they rushed Preston to hospital where he died.

Where do you think all those thousands of Cat A "child porn" (child rape) images so many men seem to be accessing onto their computers come from? They're real children being raped and abused including babies. Worldwide, but no doubt some are 'made' in the UK. (NB toddler Poppi Worthington was raped by her father, for example, as well just before her death and "asphyxiated" which is what killed her.) I'm sure a great many children in those kinds of images will not survive their ordeal, some are trafficked. If nobody's looking out for them, who around them would care if they died? I've no doubt many do.

Is being raped to death that worse than any murder ofa child? It's a bit worse yes. But any murder of a child is disgusting. I'm thinking of of other children that have been sadistically murdered. I remember many of them had multiple injuries built up over a long time.

Humans have in many instances demonstrated, that they love having power over people, especially weaker people.

That is why we have
Abuse of women
Elderly abuse
Child abuse

How to make change. As a society we are failing in this

Someone I know was qualified to work with vulnerable children and had great experience. Then she moved to a new area. Her local authority was always advertising but she never got the job. She said the man who kept interviewing her for job after job and then rejecting her gave her the real creeps. In retrospect, she thought he only wanted to hire people who wouldn't challenge him or worse, would collude with him. Couldn't prove it. But as soon as she looked out of her own area she was hired immediately.

Definitely. I think that people in the police and children safeguarding authorities definitely have paedophiles in them.
Look at Jamie varley in this case - he worked with children in a safeguarding role. Several of them go into jobs pretending to protect children, but they actually just want access to children.

I met a woman one whose parents were part of an abuse ring. Very sad. She said a lot of the ring were made up of people in authority

I feel like I keep saying this, but one thing we can do is stop respecting, admiring and rewarding superficial charm and 'charisma.' It is so often an indicator of people who crave authority and power over others, who have an inflated sense of their own importance, who cannot take criticism, admit mistakes and learn from them, who bully others and show no remorse.

Yes and we also need to stop blindly respecting people on authority.
Teachers
Police
Politicians

Are not "better" because they are in good jobs.

They are full of abusers like everywhere else

I wish I could just redesign the whole world by myself. If I could, I would get rid of governments.

Why do we give all our power away to a few people at the top. When then abuse that power.

There is no need for it

Yes.

Also I HATE the phrase 'lessons will be learned' I have hated it since seeing it in the Victoria Climbie case all those years ago. It is literally in the passive case. It is a passive statement. It doesn't identify who needs to learn the lessons. Like 'mistakes have been made' is a sentence that does not identify who made them. Both of these phrases pass the buck, cloud the issue, sidle away from real responsibility for determining who could have prevented something awful happening.

I don't mean scapegoating individuals. I know social workers have unfeasible workloads and stress. But no one ever says: 'We the adoption agents need to learn to do more thorough background checks and internet search deep dives on potential parents.' Or, 'We the paediatric team need to actively investigate any child whose injuries sudenly increase in frequency after a change of living circumstances.' I.e. specific people learning specific lessons.

Well, that is what Communism was supposed to be. The issue is, that people who crave power will connive to get it and the majority who don't crave power won't seek it in order to prevent them, or even notice that those who rise to positions of responsibility may do so for the wrong reasons.

Communism was abused. It became similar to capitalism - in many places that it was implemented. People abused their power.

I remember reading a book - called three swans of China. The woman wrote about her parents. They joined the Communist Party as they thought people would be treated equally. However they say that people who had been in the party longer abused their power.

We need a brand new system. We shouldn't do an old fashioned system (government) that is full of abusers and is not working well.

It's been done for so long, that people have a hard time even thinking of what a new system could be

Adoption now should be closed down

Then organise one. But if you don’t have clear aims and requests it may increase public awareness but it won’t achieve anything else.

I will. Are you also going to organize one in your area?

I didnt say it was worse. No child should die because of abuse. But the details of this case are unusual.

And @hihelenhi having worked with traumatized children and adults of most of my work life, I am very aware of those images and the impact on the children in them. Not really sure why you and @Mumbles11 seem to be so implying I dont understand. I know far far more about this subject than I would like to

Whoa, sorry, I probably should have phrased it better. It certainly wasn't my intent to imply you personally weren't aware or didn't understand, nor to direct that rhetorical question to you; it's more of a general thing. The point, I suppose, is it is not as rare or unusual as many people think it is. (And yes, I also know far more about this subject myself than I would like to!)

@Tonissister
I totally agree.
organisations learn very little it seems.

Sometimes massive amounts of money are spent on enquiries which idenfy significant learning yet no one follows up on the changes to ensure lessons are learned.

The inquiries soak up so much money there’s nothing left to implement any change or ensure it’s successful and embedded

I think a death sentence is justified. The thought of tax payers paying to keep these scum in prison is sickening. I actually think the victims parents should choose whether whole life in prison or death penalty. I would have no problem giving lethal injection myself. It must be heartbreaking for foster parents too.

I'm normally vehemently against the death sentence for fear of a miscarriage of justice. In this case, there's absolutely no question of that - the guilt of both men is clear: they intentionally assaulted that little boy and caused his death. The DNA evidence is irrefutable.

I gather they couldn’t probably prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was penetrated with a penis though or else they’d have been charged with rape. I’m in no doubt what the “object” that Preston choked on was though. Poor little baby