Preston Davey- sentences. Content warning - concerns CSA. (added my MNHQ)

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Preston Davey - whole life term for murderer and 25 years for the partner.
Let’s hope and pray yet again things change so no more poor babies and children die.

Not sure how true it is given the source but the Mail is reporting that when they moved out of the house where they killed Preston three weeks after he died and moved to a bigger house elsewhere (for the two years while the police gathered evidence), they were seen as the "nice, smiley friendly gay guys" by all the neighbours (three WEEKS after Preston's death) and apparently set up seasonal Christmas and Easter Bunny things on their front lawn for the neighbour's kids to play with and have pictures taken with etc.

So it looks to me as if even then, they were trying to lure new potential victims. They're vile sinister pdf creeps. Both of them. There'll be a history alright. The police just never managed to find it. They clearly thought they were immune and had pulled the wool over everyone's eyes.

This thread is terribly homophobic.

Sorry, in what way?

It's about two men, who happened to be gay, who sexually abused and murdered a baby who the state put into their care in an absolutely horrific case. Men are many times more likely than women to be sexual abusers. I don't believe there's any evidence that it's got anything to do with whether they are gay or straight? It's not homophobic to say that. It's about men and the facts of this case.

Is a Peadophile gay? Surely the sexuality of a Peadophile is Peadophile? Pretty sure the terms are exclusive.

Let's assume they're not exclusive. Let's assume Gay people can be Peados. If that's true then Straight people can be too. And nobody is advocating pairs/groups of straight men should be able to adopt.

So the prejudice here is against men, not against gay people and it's a prejudice based on a reasonable assumption that men are, on average, more likely to sexually abuse.

Yes, men are many times more likely to be paedophiles. They are also many times more likely to access paedophilic images of CSA. Two men does increase the risk statistically, obviously

Given this case is literally about two male paedophiles who filmed themselves at least once sexually assaulting a baby who had been put into their care, and he died of injuries sustained during a sexual assault by one of them, I am unclear what's "homophobic" about the thread. Nobody is saying gay men are more likely to be paedophiles. Ian Watkins, for instance, wasn't gay. He targeted single mothers of babies so he could get access to abuse them.

The comments (for instance on a Mail article I saw someone posted elsewhere) are about two KNOWN paedophiles. Mine was about their behaviour in the immediate aftermath in the weeks and two years after Preston's death before they were able to be arrested. It struck me that not only did they appear to present no emotion about their adoptive baby's recent death (I don't believe they'd told anyone in the new area), they also seemed to be quite keen on getting involved with other children. Paedophiles generally don't become that way out of nowhere, they almost always have a history of some kind even if they've been able to keep it well hidden.

They lose control. If adults are messed up or damaged, and they are around a small child, some of them can't control themselves. My mother was extremely abusive in many ways. She would scream and shout and hit my brother. When we spoke to her about it as adults, she said that she would lose all control.

Some men cannot control sexual urges. At all. It's why paedophiles are so very dangerous to be around children.

I don't think, abusive as I've no doubt she was, your mother is in quite the same league of out of control as a man who gets off on r*ping a baby.

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No she wasn't that different. She stopped short of sexually abusing and murdering us. Yes. But she was extremely abusive in all other ways to the point that it ruined both of our lives.
And ive only talked about my mother so far.

My father sexually abused me.

A lot of adults abuse their own children. They are alone with them. They are physically bigger. they have too much power over the child.

I've met so many women who were sexually abused by their own fathers/stepfathers/grandfathers

I think that there should be mandatory checks on all children.

Society as a whole - needs to improve

I haven't mentioned my father yet. He raped me.
My friend was raped by her grandfather.
My other friend was raped by her uncle.

There is an absolute epidemic of child sexual abuse going on.

They abuse children because children cannot physically fight off adults.

What can we as a society do to help children more. Children are suffering in huge numbers, at the hands of their own parents, extended family, and they can't help themselves .

I was just thinking this week - what can I do to help.

I can help hungry people by donating to a food bank for example.

But there seems no possible way to help children being abused in their homes. Anyone have any ideas?

Ian Watkins, for instance, wasn't gay. He targeted single mothers of babies so he could get access to abuse them.

Not at all. He wasn't even a peado. His interest was in the mothers. The baby stuff was about getting the mothers to do bad stuff. It's a bit doubtful if he even touched a baby but if he did it was not horrific in the way the abuse of Preston was.

TBH, he, and the mothers, needed long sentences for even thinking about what they did but when he said "Nobody got hurt." that really was true (physically). Sickening and worthy of prison but without going into detail there wouldn't have been physical sexual injuries of the nature Preston, and other children typically suffer.

I don't think Watkins was very high up the list of people in Prison worthy of murder.

I'm gonna get flamed for "defending" someone convicted of attempted rape of a baby, but the legal definition of rape doesn't match the every day definition and to the victim there is a big difference.

Putting those things upon their lawn it's not proof they were looking for more victims. They could have been trying to portray the image of being nice fun neighbours. He was very manipulative, a drama queen and a liar.
Probably look at us, we live kids, we wouldn't do that.

Can't understand why it took so long to arrest them?

He's a disgusting man.

Awful, I'm so sorry to hear that. A friend of mine was raped by her father also. These scum walk among us. More than people think or would like to believe.

And yes, there is. It's why I get so angry about people almost shrugging and saying "well nothing can be done. Paedos are gonna paedo." We know, and some will always slip through the cracks but they can do without being helped along by others' naivety or lack of basic safeguarding understanding.

Mumsnet could do more ask them to come up with something. They are a huge parenting forum. It's time they thought of something .
There should be a special day each year where we highlight and remember the child victims at the very least. We have a Stephen Lawrence day. We had she was only walking home campaign re Sarah Everard .
We need something for Preston and the others.

Don't forget older siblings.

Basically... Any male figure around. One of my friends was abused by a male babysitter

I don’t believe they lost control.

there has been some homophobia on this thread - people wondering about why a male couple were able to adopt at all for instance.

but I think most people are trying to understand what the hell is going on that something so unbelievably cruel could happen.

unfortunately I know a bit about paedophilia in a professional capacity. Firstly it is another layer after sexual orientation- so some favour boys and othered girls. Some will look for post pubescent children, others pre. Babies are another thing again.

in general, the younger the child, the harder to treat and stop the behaviour.

I don’t know if they had paedophilic material. I am not sure that they are paedophiles. There is a significant amount of people who sexually assault children who are more attracted by sadistic opportunities than sexual interest.

none of this is an excuse. I have spent much of my working life trying to protect children and dealing with the aftermath of them not being protected as they should have been.

the first time I heard about babies being raped was in the rape camps of Serbia. I would not be surprised if the constantly evolving boundaries pushed by increasingly violent porn is a factor in that development.

"but I think most people are trying to understand what the hell is going on that something so unbelievably cruel could happen."

I disagree. I'm not shocked by what happened at all. This shit has been going on for a long time. Humans, particularly many male humans are cruel, and will abuse anything weaker than them

I've heard about horrendous things that men have done to people, since I was a child.

I remember being 11 at school and my friend talking to me about her stepfather raping her. One example of many

In this case they created their own downfall though. They didn't have to adopt, they didn't have to keep him.
They have ruined their own lives, Preston's family, They are hated, lost their jobs, friends, shit scared in prison. How on earth can it be worth it.
Be better to kill yourself wouldn't it. Take yourself out the equation.
People do have choices and nobody has to adopt or keep a baby if it's not working out.

Today he could still be working in his school and leading a normal life . Living in his own house and enjoying freedom. Why on earth would you trade that for being banged up forever.

Peace of mind. Freedom so important.

No, it's not "proof" and I didn't say it was, we won't ever know, but could well be the case. It certainly wouldn't be the first. A now-known paedophile essentially making a big thing about presenting as "Safe to be around kids" is something of a red flag in general, a great many are repeat offenders, so it's really not wide off the mark at all. But I also agree about portraying themselves as nice fun, we would never do such a thing neighbours and them being manipulative. All could be feasibly be true at the same time, tbf, it's not really either or.

It took a couple of years to gather all the evidence, I believe. It does seem an awfully long time

I think abusive people lose control in a way.

They are messed up and abusive anyway. Then they are so cruel they can't stop themselves, even if it will ruin their own lives. (Going to jail forever)

Why did they adopt a boy, who else was available to adopt Preston? Bet we won't be told.
Why do social workers, doctors keep their jobs. There has to be accountability.

Half of them are probably in on it.

I read a book about a girl who grew up in a paedophile ring. She said that a lot of the abusers were police and politicians etc