Labour isn't Working - Thread 34

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Having read this, I can't get "be careful what you wish for" out of my mind. AB as PM, Mad Ed in charge of the finances?

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15909415/Starmer-braced-Miliband-resign-refuses-make-way-Burnham.html

The Guardian has a similar story. I suspect the gist of both is correct.

I foresee some mighty ructions within Labour if (probably when) Burnham wins Makerfield. Despite what many Labour supporters think, Burnham is not very good. And his room for changing the direction of government policy is very limited.

One dud for another is not a good look, and the manner of Burnham’s scheming to return to Westminster will come back to haunt him: so much fuss to get another incompetent into Downing Street. If Miliband gets a really prominent job like Chancellor he’ll also be a millstone round Labour’s neck. Proven losers making a comeback never ends well.

Labour tempers will fray very quickly.

Okay, I'm putting my Pollyanna hat on. I think it should be okay. What we need, fingers crossed, is for the leadership knife fight to extend across the summer recess. Then the autumn budget would be imminent and there'd be no room for firing the gun on a general election, so whichever mad bastard ends up in the treasury will have to lay out their cards out for the markets and the population in advance of grand pre-election bollocks promises. And that should be enough to knock the fresh face bounce out of their sails.

Good morning 😁 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Happy Bollard Day.

Who knows what will happen next. Could be Ed in the treasury, other reports suggest that Burnham wants Mahmood. We'll probably see the return of Rayner too, and Lou 'phones4u' Haigh is likely to make a comeback . Some reports saying that there will be cabinet resignations if Starmer digs in, other reports saying that Burnham is telling the cabinet not to resign to avoid chaos as he wants a coronation. 🤷‍♂️

Its all just so ridiculous when you zoom out. Labour have been a disaster from the start. Today they are fighting a by election of their own making, in order to parachute an ex (not very good) minister straight into No.10. He wasn't even an MP at the last GE fgs.

Welcome @carrythecan 👋

’Happy Bollard Day’ 😂😂😂
Thank you for making this day start brightly.
In other news -did anyone see the match last night? I heard that fans did chant our new favourite ditty at one point?

Four different scenarios that could play out if Burnham wins.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/efa0515e-4e69-4785-b3f3-47f405659f17?shareToken=7521ad6be43d279931d077cb538ec391

Go on then😂

Morning. Happy Bollard Day 😂

Hope the Makerfield result are in in early tomorrow.

I finally got around to listening to Carns on the daily t and I think the content of what he was saying was good. He does talk extremely slowly though and had to listen on double speed to make it bearable though.

I can't believe he only spoke to Starmer once in the two year stint. No wonder they are all demotivated and miserable. It's hardly the high engagement, collaborative approach they were promised.

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Haha happy bollard day 😀🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

I think whoever it is will be reined in with constraints and I noted the main union talking about Mahmood’s policies and that they should be dropped.

So the person will face the conflict between wanting votes and other groups putting pressure on.

It’ll all just look bad for Labour really.

Starmer seems to have a reputation for ignoring his MPs, so the fact he also ignores ministers etc is no surprise. What a very strange little man he has turned out to be!

Interesting to see the presumed likelihood of the potential outcomes laid out like that. Digging in and failing 4/5, brutal leadership contest 3/5, so my preferred outcomes are doing well.

Indeed. One of the troubles Starmer’s created for himself is that he ignores MPs and ministers until it’s too late, he gets a deputation at his door or the whips warn of rebellion…and then in he caves.

I think he’s shit at people as well as being shit at politics.

Meanwhile, Kemi, is a whisker away from being the only party leader with a net positive popularity rating in yesterday's More in Common polling.

With the shock upset voting in Wales. I wouldn't assume Burnham will get it. The labour party is so tainted now by their blatant arrogance even Labour supporters might think FU when they go to the ballot box.

Brilliant, good on her.

On Carns, could just be me being a grumpy git 😂
He just spouts what Kemi is saying, and every time I hear him speak, he does the army-barmy routine of reminded us of how hard he is. DH is ex army, and he rarely tells anyone. Its Al Carns's whole identity.
Anyway, I'll grump off and drink more coffee. 😂

Fabulous.
She deserves it too.

Yeh I don't think a Burnham win is nailed on either.
Restore could split the Reform vote though, so who knows. 🤷‍♂️

She really does. She’s doing well despite the denigrators. Just see the attacks on here.

Hard work and being better than the male leaders.

A few good pieces in The Times this morning on Burnham.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/28fa639d-a849-4d02-9e10-b4760f406e3e?shareToken=c2e23b5b0cf6eb175d2c80cc85ea6263

Yes the positive Kemi thread is a case in point.

I’d like to think that, and I agree there’s an effect, but I’m pretty sure Burnham will win, and he’ll win by more than Reform + Restore. Burnham’s luck is that there’s no Green vote to speak of in Makerfield (whether of the eco-loon tendency or obsessive pro-Palestine voters). So his Labour vote is all about turnout, and I think he’ll get that sufficiently.

What I find surprising is not the support for Burnham in Makerfield but elsewhere in the party. He was nothing much in government and has shown no particular talent as mayor. As for likeability, he can’t be any less personable than Starmer but there’s nothing inspiring or widely appealing about him. Plus flip-floppery. And he’s a stale white man.

I still think Cooper would have been Labour’s best shot, but she’s (wisely) shown no ambition to be PM after Starmer.

@justasking111 an upset would be delicious !
How embarrssing....

Ah, yeah, I can see how that would grate on you. That's not being grumpy, it's just not a perspective I had considered. Although coffee is always the solution.