Labour isn't Working - Thread 34

[Nuthatch26]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Oh God, do I watch this or not?

No. Wait for the write up from @DancingFerret! Save yourself!

@Nuthatch26 thank you for the link

I pay so little attention to Keir Starmer, I couldn't tell you when he'd responded but I see from the article it was 10 hours later - does that mean 10 hours after 8 am?

Anyway, I saw mum on Sunday and I said to her that the country would explode after sentencing. It's really coming to something when I can tell that and the Prime Minister and his team don't know. Where does he get his advice? Obviously, everyone else knew.

From looking at the court notes, I did wonder if it would be released at all and I didn't think the family would agree. I hope they don't regret that decision.

@Parsley4321 I think McFadden's comments about the tax and the benefits have probably got lost in this week's news.

I wonder why Rachel Reeves didn't want to do the CBI dinner. I did hear earlier in the week that she wasn't going to stay for the speech. I'm not quite sure what she was going to do in that case. Just make an appearance for the cameras?

I think I will. Not in the mood 😬

Haha I’m kind of intrigued and never watch it

With issues they care about.

Yes, that's been said numerous times. He's an empty vessel who can't make decisions according to some of those who have worked around him in No.10. And that was in the honeymoon period!

He's a dead weight for the labour party.

He does seem a lot different to the man we saw in opposition. Drastically different.

I've decided Starmer has two facial expressions - spiteful rage, and baffled constipation.

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That many?!..he'll be in danger of developing a personality if he's not careful.

Ha yes

Accurate 😂

I thought this article was interesting, about how the people running public institutions are more focused on changing the world to fit their own pet ideology (regardless of what voters want or believe) than on actually delivering the service they are responsible for . Eg the police keeping people safe, or the NHS treating people.

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/cd1b9d46fa9a1cab

A perfect example is the political pressure to scrap the Palantir contract despite the expected cost savings and waiting list reductions, which we certainly need! It's pretty unfathomable self-sabotage... except when you realise that people in charge believe that virtue-signalling influencing other countries political choices is a more important function of the NHS than actually delivering patient care

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/e5e82c02eb666e23

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The juxtaposition of those two articles is as striking as it is terrifying @strawberrybubblegum, thanks for posting that.

I had always blamed the universities for churning out generations of liberal activist managers who wielded their institutional power to their own preferences.

Louise Perry has mentioned this phenomenon in one of her articles and I was persuaded by her arguement that this expression of power affords a kind of status and place within the establishment culture that is not so easily achieved now through money and property.

Frost's observation offers another view on that where those who are eager for this change-the-world ego trip find their natural home within the public sector - no doubt among bamboozled others who are left wondering what they have landed in.

Seeing that set against your other article about Planatir and how these activists within are fighting against the wellbeing of patients because they are offended by Planatir's links to Israel, show us just how removed and disassociated the lanyard class are from the people who are left paying for all of this.

Yes totally agree.

Just heard Kemi talk more on Henry Nowak, I’ve been missing stuff so it’s probably a day or so out but she’s very good.

If she could be PM next time then great.

Thanks for the new thread Nuthatch

Yes, I've got my fingers crossed. Kemi has been great across the board. Three years might be enough to afford some hope.

It's so good to see a leader speak easily and off script, without crowbarring in slogans, repeating the same lines in to effort to technically speak without actually saying anything, filled with weasel words that mean the opposite, and speaking super slowly to burn down the interview time.

What a fucking disaster Labour have become. They only click into gear when they talk passionately about how much they hate Reform and then they shift back to their, 'computer says no' mode of governance. It's pitiful.

They all shift into hate that’s their only modus operandi

Last night's Question Time should have been retitled the Andy Burnham Show. Fiona Bruce kicked it off early by asking him whether or not he intends to run for PM if he wins Makerfield. His answer was affirmative.

He was given the first question and allowed considerable time to answer and expound his views. People listened quietly.

Judging by the overall audience reaction last night, I think AB has Makerfield in the bag.

Kenyon struck me as unimpressive and inarticulate. He did his best, but struggled in comparison to the smooth-talking AB sitting next to him. He was reminded more than once of his earlier admission of being sexist amongst other things, and it was fairly clear most of the audience refused to move past that. He's kippered, IMO.

Sarah Wakefield (Green) hadn't been on my radar until last night and seemed to be a cross between Dolores Umbridge and Pollyanna, alternating between patronising smugness and wide-eyed ingénue. She was apparently parachuted in at the last minute, and mentioned more than once she was meant to be on maternity leave.

Jake Austin (Lib Dem) and Michael Winstanley (Con) were unremarkable and their responses forgettable (as in I can't remember what they said).

The programme was billed as an election special, and it certainly was - seemingly skewed in just one direction.

Thanks for the write up. Really useful.

You’re likely right, unless enough don’t bother watching and QT is naturally more left / Labour for viewers.

Has anyone else seen this deeply troubling set of statements from the National Association of Muslim Police?

https://x.com/fharris2011/status/2062800225362755822

They actually seem to be defending Hamas?

You are right Rob Keynon is not the greatest nor most articulate man. However, what he is though is he is like the people he is representing . Just because someone is not the most articulate or polished in communication skills does not mean they cannot be a good or representative MP for a community. Andy Burnham is just the biggest 'Con-Man' who as ever existed, a man highly suited to Politics/ Public because if he had entered the private commercial world he would have been found out very quickly what a Bull-Shitter he is.