Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations part 2

[AutumnLover1990]

New thread 😀

Here is what a rare book seller says about the book.

https://www.backcreekbooks.com/pages/books/1055/georges-st-martin-ronald-c-nelson-martin-swithenbank-ronald-drew/boys-will-be-boys?soldItem=true

Article about the British Library having to restrict them.

https://archive.ph/ME18E

There's a video of Michael ripping a picture of boys out of a book when he was sitting with Martin Bashir. They were clothed, he said it fills his heart with bliss and how his room is just decorated with things like that.

It's just creepy, no one likes looking at children that much except for pedophiles, or parents looking at their own kids photos.

Ok so this article mentions that the stories about the nude pictures are false and the prosecution agreed. This article mentions a half-dozen pictures.
https://www.today.com/popculture/jacksons-lawyers-deny-photo-reports-wbna6067713

At the time the story going around was that they found nude images in the 2003 raid, so that appears to be the incorrect information that they cleared up.
https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/2016/06/21/michael-jackson-police-file

The nude image believed to be of Jonathan Spence was found in the 1993 raid.

But all that anyone else has to say is bulls shit 💩

But it isn't though.

People say things that happened or were shown at trial and then supporters find a tiktok or something which apparently rebuts it but it's the rebuttal that is incorrect and completely glossing over things.

Yes the other book was inscribed personally by Jackson. This was brought up in the trial. It said

"Look at the true spirit of happiness and joy in these boys' faces, this is the spirit of boyhood, a life I've never had and will always dream of. This is the life I want for my children."

Seems a very strange thing to write in a book by pedophiles, for pedophiles, with images such as the ones you described. Also both books were locked in a safe and not with the general collection. He knew full well what they were and what they represented

Yes, there's an old video from court tv on this reddit thread where the presenter shows that particular picture (but covers the genitals with her hand).
It made me feel sick. 'Art book' 😷

And then that guy from the tiktok video posted earlier was saying the book was just an art book of boys enjoying their summer (or something like that). It's complete bullshit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeavingNeverlandHBO/comments/17v2qbc/michael_jacksons_seized_pedophile_books_shown_on/

Jesus christ 🤮

I think some people are always going to kid themselves about this man - the delusion about him is everywhere and has already been seen on this thread.. Victims should be believed and not shouted down.

I believe all the victims.

I think MJ should have been found guilty and what happened was a miscarriage of justice.

One of the things I find funny and quite ironic is the way that his defenders constantly bring up the people around him like staff etc and how dodgy they are without it occurring to them that dodgy people surround themselves with other people that have no morals because good people would not be enablers and might report what they see going on.

The threads are full of misinformation and accuse very plausible victims of sexual abuse of being liars and only after money.

I did report to mumsnet. But lets face it this place is no better than the rest of social media.

Contraversy = Engagement = Advertising Revenue

And decency, the truth and victims of CSA (even on a parenting website) be damned.

Oh apparently (according to mumsnet) the best thing is if mumsnetters correct all the misinformation themselves. But honestly who has time to watch all these crazy tiktock videos and rebut them.

And thats the problem with social media. In the absense of proper regulation, fanatics and extremists propagating misinformation can dominate the conversation.

Usually mumsnet gets a bit of a pass, but certain topics like Jackson or Russia (probably paid in the latter case) definitely have this problem.

I am on the fence tbh. I was never a huge fan, but thought he was genius.
We will never know, it's all hearsay and people making money since he died.
The most laughable was the cleaner with her claims. Why didn't she go to the police at the time, a person who cares would have done.

Where’s Jarvis Cocker when you need him?

Why on earth are you shocked? Are people not allowed to be critical and ask questions?

Because she’s wasn’t a moral person and for that reason MJ said he wanted her to work for him ‘forever’.

She was happy to keep his dirty secrets whilst he was handing her envelopes of cash. She turned a blind eye and asked no questions.

MJ was surrounded by immoral people so that they asked no questions. He did that on purpose.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jackson-s-maid-used-broker-to-sell-stories-530823.html

And I wonder if this leech got paid for the interviews she did shortly after Leaving Neverland was broadcast?

But I don’t understand why that matters. Most people would see the hate and vitriol and disbelief thrown at those boys who have stood up and told their truth and many probably have decided it wasn’t worth it. You can not image the hate and death threats and abuse they receive by deluded fans. Same with Savile, when he was first committing these crimes no one believed anyone, it was only later after his death people started to come forward more. We forget that The MJ estate and family is still going and still an enormous concern with a lot of clout and leverage and ridiculous amounts of money to buy off anyone ( which they did multiple times) . Latoya openly came out to accuse her own brother and was ostracised by her family until she took back what she said but I believe that was coerced to do that. She knew the truth.

Latoya was coerced by her husband to say all that @Missohnoyoubetterdont

Thats true, he nearly killed her, Randy Jackson had to smuggle her out
of there when he was working away from him onto a plane and when she was safe she told her truth which was that she was forced by her husband to say those things.

I escaped an abusive ex husband in a similar way, a friend helped me, and it’s so nerve wracking, you have one chance!

It’s so easy to dismiss other people’s truth as ‘a random TikTok’ or ‘social media’ but those interviews were with people who were there at the time, living and breathing it!

They know what happened, and we should listen, not dismiss

But when I thought he was guilty I used all the same arguments as the people on these threads so I do understand those views as well, I just don’t believe any of it anymore

Ditto.

But you’re saying the child victims made this up unless I’m mistaken?

They would say that they were there living and breathing the actual abuse.

I’m assuming you mean that the industry itself set out to completely destroy him and all of the victims are in on it. So it’s a conspiracy.

I find that much harder to believe and it seems more far fetched than the likelihood that he was a pedophile.

It is not as if pedophiles are uncommon. My friend who was a police officer said they are far more ubiquitous than anyone realises. The reason people find it harder to believe of MJ is because he was a musical genius.

Most of us are saying it's the parents influencing and putting things in their heads.