Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations part 2

[AutumnLover1990]

New thread 😀

Interesting that Anthony Pellicano, the man MJ hired to find dirt on Jordan Chandlers family quit and said "I quit because I found out some truths....he did something far worse to young boys than molest them".

Apparently he has already done a disposition for the Wade Robson lawsuit, it will be interesting to hear if that is heard during the lawsuit.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2008/dec/16/pellicano-hollywood-trial

Like something from a movie

Or they might just be trying to get something related to him unsealed 🤔 but either way it's going to be interesting, apparently the lawyers have evidence MJ paid off up to 20 families and they're also trying to get the photograph of MJs markings. This lawsuit could be a hell of a lot more damning for MJ than the Leaving Neverland documentary.

MJ had no problem hiring him!

I found it interesting that when Conrad Murray was asked if he thought MJ was a pedophile, he said he didn’t want to talk about it. If the answer to that question was no, you wouldn’t leave the world in doubt. He was with him in his last time of life. The thing is that MJ hired yes men to be around him, including this doctor who was willing to give an amount of drug to him that was dangerous. Much like how he allegedly at some point started going to unscrupulous plastic surgeons who were willing to keep on doing unwise surgeries.

Dr Conrad Murray comes across terribly in interviews, a very strange man and, as we discussed in the last thread, was recording MJ whilst under his sedation. Weird. And all he managed to record was MJ talking about building better hospitals for sick kids. Nice try doc.

@Hubhubba26
And MJ would have been in no doubt about his reputation, it was clearly widely known at the time what he was like, and MJ had used him before to look into LaToyas husband before her book came out.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-09-11-mn-34044-story.html

@kkloo I'm not saying he wasn't.

He also comes across like he's unable to hide that he believes that MJ is a pedophile, but just won't say it out loud.

He certainly isn’t a good person - what kind of a doctor would willingly give someone the levels of anaesthesia that would usually require direct supervision in an hospital before an operation as a sleep aid? ‘First, do no harm’ is something that escaped him.

This is the problem - MJ surrounded himself with people that would do whatever he wanted even if it was a crazy, dangerous thing to do. A decent doctor would have said no - i expect many did until MJ found one that would say yes.

Conrad Murray comes across as someone that was obsessed with MJ. I think if he believed he’s not a pedophile he would have said it. Also, you’ve got to wonder what ramblings he was privy to with MJ in a constantly drug addled state.

@kkloo I'm just not getting the same thing from that interview. I'm pretty sure if MJ had said anything controversial under sedation Dr Murray would have been more than happy to record it.

Here is a link to a discussion that psychologists who work with CSA victims had right after watching LN

@MyTrivia but yes I definitely agree that he was surrounded by yes men. If he was suffering with addiction issues it makes sense he would have shut out anyone who was frank with him

Sorry but I'm just not buying that you don't @Hubhubba26 and I'm not sure why people engage in these bad faith arguments.

Yes Lisa Marie said
"[My father and Michael] had the luxury of creating whatever reality around them they wanted to create. They would have the kinds of people who were going to go with their program ... and if they weren't, then they could be disposed of,"

@kkloo Don't you think his mannerisms are consistently disingenuous. What's all the leaning forward about. He seems very attention seeking. Also he's served a prison sentence for the death of the person he's talking about etc etc

I've met individuals with narcissistic traits before and he's definitely bringing back memories.

@kkloo oh yes I remember this comment. It's from LMPs interview with Oprah just after MJs death. Worth a watch. Also on YouTube.

I'll have to take a look again,I could only see some short clips, the full interview was up on dailymotion but it just kept buffering for me when I tried to watch it.

He would go to unscrupulous doctors. That’s why his face ended up looking the way that it did. I saw a plastic surgeon talking about this once. He said that he should have stopped after the third rhinoplasty and that after that, decent plastic surgeons probably refused to do more procedures so he would then start seeking out dodgy practitioners in Saudi Arabia and goodness knows where else.

The doctor he had in Ireland said he managed to get Michael to hand over some dangerous diet pills he was using.

Not sure how this doc is able to speak about MJ though. I know he provided evidence for the Conrad Murray trial but didn't think he'd be able to discuss his patient in a book.

Oh yeah I know the doctor you mean. Is that the one who said MJ would steal multiple expensive products from his practice? MJ was in massive debt at the end of his life.

Yes.

"Dr Patrick Treacy, the clinic’s resident aesthetics doctor, said Jackson “didn’t really have any money, I mean, his credit cards bounced on many occasions.
“I remember one time he was in our big glass showroom and he started pocketing quite a lot of the cosmetics.
“Some of the things were worth between 100 and 500 euros and he had a big coat on and when I ran into him, he had as many as 20-30 of these products in his pockets.”
Dr Treacy added Jackson “just laughed” when he was caught pocketing the goods."

Wow, that’s pretty astute from someone who grew up in that world and who has- presumably- always lived a pretty unusual life, heavily populated by celebrities. I think the ‘yes men’ thing is so obvious to most of us outside of the industry but so many celebrities don’t see it (or won’t admit it).

I suppose it's something she wouldn't really have been able to ignore when coming to terms with her dads death and then she would have witnessed it all over again with MJ.