Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations part 2

[AutumnLover1990]

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I believe the victims.

No I am not saying that at all, and I never would, I am saying I don't believe there were any victims, except for Michael Jackson himself and I am saying that it's not fair to slander his name, he died thinking that the world hated him and that is not ok.

Ok imagine if it was you that got accused, you might say 'oh but it could never be me' well actually it could be anyone, especially if they lived a weird enough life and are perceived that way and have a lot of money that other people need, then in that circumstance we are reliant on actual factual evidence and not just rumour and urban myths that have grown legs over the years and are now believed by some as fact.

Absolutely this, it was pure greed driven by both his wealth and his kindness and lack of boundaries, which unfortunately led to opportunities, and so a lot of copycats came out of the woodwork after his death when he wasn't able to defend himself because they wanted to seize the main chance.

Are people honestly saying that they believe the Cascios now? After all they have said in the past and now that ridiculous interview? Really?

Just because he is dead does not make him a cash cow for the grifters of the world who knew him.

I mentioned this on the other thread but for anyone who didn’t know, the Jackson estate settled with the Cascio’s for millions in 2020. Now they’re back for more money.

There are adult victims who kept this to themselves for years.

Why is he the only rich pop star dogged by these allegations that refuse to go away? Why not other creepy musicians?

Nobody hated him until 1993 when he was accused of child abuse for the first time. Before that he was universally idolised.

He is not a victim - he has brought everything on himself.

Victim testimonies are evidence. There is copious evidence against him from multiple sources.

I also don’t think he was the naive, all good child you believe.

He was an astute businessman who bought the Beatles back catalogue, outbidding Paul McCartney quite early in his career.

Because he was the rich pop star who longed to be surrounded by children, hence the opportunities for people to twist it. He wasn't very well balanced, and he was odd for sure, but that does not make him a pedophile

The man who was employed to keep logs of who was staying at his house and where they were sleeping says that there were literally 100s of male children logged as sleeping in MJ’s bedroom over the time he was employed there.

If nobody ever accused him of anything then nobody would think he was a pedophile but the two things together are irrefutable in my mind.

And you can bet that after the 1993 allegations he would have had all kind of advisors telling him to stop having male children in his bedroom because of how it looked.

Why did he not stop? The answer can only be because he was obsessed with doing it.

Being a good businessman, does not address his daddy issues, the majority of us all have our own issues from childhood but not usually as extreme as his issues, and the majority of us do not have the wealth to create things like Neverland to recreate our childhood

He did and he did.

MJ had a very extreme and unusual life, riddled with issues, huge wealth, he was drug addicted for numerous reasons, and he left himself wide open to accusations because of the way that he was with people, but again, none of those things make him a pedophile.

There is no such thing as a man who wants to sleep with 5-14 year old boys his whole life that can be explained as something innocent. Especially when multiple accusers allege that he abused them and their descriptions of the abuse all match.

Also a man who wasn’t a pedophile who also just happened to own child erotica with mainly boys in the above age brackets?

But if that's the case WHY was he obsessed with doing it? Even if he was, the answer doesn't necessarily have to be 'for sexual reasons'.

Also, was he really ''obsessed with doing it or did he just let the families live around him because a) he didn't like saying no and had very weak boundaries and b) he was desperately lonely - which led to a)

100% agree. People are completely deluded, makes me feel sick tbh

If we are 'deluded' then how can you explain that at least two of us on these threads (myself included) used to hate him immediately after watching LN but now we don't because we've found out a whole lot more and had our eyes opened to the truth which has made us feel very sad for him.

If we were just deluded or star struck we wouldn't ever have hated him would we?

It's one thing to hate pedos and believe victims (I do for sure) but it has to be based on the truth, not just rumours and a witch hunt because someone looked odd. The truth matters more.

It’s laughable (and ignorant) to say we’re deluded because we’re fans. It’s like people have said on the other thread that the jury members were blinded to his talents / music and that’s why he was acquitted.

Or he had nothing to hide and the parents were happy enough to trust him? After all they knew him better than we do and must have had no concerns.

Do you remember poor Joanne Yeates the young girl raped and murdered by Vincent Tabac who lived in the same building as her?

Do your remember the absolutely appalling witch hunt that went on via the media before the real murderer was caught, just because the landlord, Christopher Jefferies was a weird looking chap and was also a quiet person. He suffered terribly and horribly because people 'felt' it was him and a media frenzy ensued. People 'felt' he was creepy.

Well no he wasn't creepy or a murderer! He was completely innocent and he sued the fuckers who tried to take him down just to sell papers and at the same time ruined his life and broke his spirit. I'm sure any money he won could never compensate him for the struggle to prove his innocence when the world thought they knew better.

The truth matters.

Would you let your kids go over to his for a sleepover?

or any adult who asked? What if your ‘nice, kind’ 35 year old neighbour invited your kids over for a play date or sleep over? Is that normal behaviour?

No, because I'm not a star struck money grabbing grifter who is on the make, so no I personally would not be sending my kids anywhere except their grandparents house.

I would not be trying to enveigle my way into staying at a rich superstar's property with my kids in the hope of financial benefit, because I am not the same as the greedy fuckers who did that.

At least you were willing to actually watch LN (a lot of fans refuse to watch it).

Can you explain exactly what convinced you that the allegations weren’t true?

Two of the jurors have said they believe he was a pedophile but that the evidence wasn’t enough to convict him.

At least one other juror has said that they were pressured to vote not guilty and did not want a hung jury because they were fed up with the amount of time they had spent doing this and wanted to go home!

You’re dodging the question though aren’t you?

Jimmy Safechuck’s mother says she didn’t let him sleep in MJ’s bedroom for quite some time, initially. MJ made her feel like he was a member of their family.

If MJ truly only cared about the children, why was he buying the parents rolls Royce cars and diamond encrusted Cartier bracelets?

I wasn't even a fan at that point ( I mean I was but that was around the Off the Wall and Thriller time but I was a child then and it wore off), I just watched LN out of interest then felt the disgust that you still feel now.

I've changed my mind due to many many things, too many to even remember but my stepson (in his 30's now) was always a fan and we used to argue after LN ( me and him never argue about anything except we did about MJ, he insisted that he was innocent and I insisted he was guilty) and at some point I can't even explain it, I just opened my mind to what he was saying (I didn't admit it to stepson for ages) I then went down the MJ rabbit hole and the penny dropped that he had been framed by the power structures within the industry.

That wasn't even my stepson's argument btw, that was what I felt had happened.

The industry mafia who own the media just did not want him around for many many reasons, he was an enemy of the powers who ran the fame industry at the time, he spoke up against them and his message was not a narrative that they wanted out there.

They shut him down in any way they could so that nobody was listening to him and they still do, because of money.

I do not believe the Safechuck family, that is their narrative and they are sticking to it