Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations part 2

[AutumnLover1990]

New thread 😀

Do you not think, though that the simplest explanation is usually correct? So, man is a pedophile is more likely to be true than there was a conspiracy against a pop star because the industry didn’t want him around.

If he was being targeted by so called elite power structures, I’d argue they would have been able to make sure he went to prison.

I know a woman who was married to a pedophile and did not discover his perversions until she was pregnant with their 4th child and he was sent to prison for molesting a little boy. She described the shock and utter disbelief she went through to me.

Pedophiles are good at hiding who they are.

How do we know Boys will be Boys was locked up in a cabinet btw? Is there evidence of that? Genuine question. The inscription on the front comes across as naive if anything.

Well sometimes it is but sometimes it isn’t as simple as that, we are talking about a very complex individual here with a life that none of us can imagine, his life was so far removed from regular that our minds can’t comprehend the experience, I mean the guy had pet giraffes and elephants ffs they were his friends 🤯

On the point of the powers getting him sent to prison, I think by then it was a clash of the titans, he had equal power at that point, and (in my view) he had the truth on his side so they couldn’t do it but, by god they tried hard to destroy him, and in the end they did

I've just researched the above online. There's no evidence in the police inventory that the 'Boys will be Boys' book was found locked away. The inventory doesn't state where individual items were found.

She was an adult who was responsible for her choices and the safety of her child.

More here:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/leaving-neverland-where-were-the-moms-of-michael-jacksons-accusers/

I think he might have done something.

I think we would all prefer to believe that he didn't do it. We would prefer to believe that there are good people in the world.

I have questions. What makes me think he did something is:

Recently I watched the video of michael jackson arriving in Ireland for a concert. Little james safechuck gets off the plane with him. James is tiny.

There was an article online where people said that they saw james safechuck in michael jacksons hotel room and they were worries about the child, and they put a note under the door asking if he was okay

Michael made some very questionable decisions. He did that to his own reputation.

If a singer went on tour today and brought an 11 year old boy to sleep in his hotel room with him, no one would think that it was right.

She was wrong and MJ was also wrong.

I think MJ was very good at making people believe that he was some sort of uniquely special case - a unique human who deserved to have special rules applied to him.

Which actually sounds very narcissistic if you apply it to today’s standards and what we’ve learned about how people with cluster B disorders operate.

There are also people who endured even worse trauma than he did. There are many sports people and musicians whose parents denied them a childhood like the Williams sisters, Britney Spears and Andre Agassi - they didn’t hang around with one prominent child all the time who was replaced when they hit puberty. They didn’t have kids sleeping in their beds and people alleging they were abused by them.

I don’t think it matters if it was locked away or not really.

Yes he is not the only one who had a traumatic childhood.

I remember Lisa Marie, his wife, said that Michael used to complain about his childhood all the time and she said " who DIDN'T have a miserable childhood".

I didn't have a good childhood either. My dad abandoned us and my mother was abusive. I am like Michael in one way in that I am very childlike.

I do think severe abuse can make people be stuck mentally in childhood.

However I do not have children in my bed. An abusive childhood does not make people do that unless they choose to

I do think michael abused his fame and power to get people to do what he want. Some Parents were afraid to say no to him as they wanted their child to have opportunites.

I agree.

Actually, I think the reason that we don’t have mega mega stars any more is due to the internet and social media.

Pre-internet, famous people could hide a lot of their true character traits and people were even more star struck and crazed by the enigma.

These days, people bad points leak out before they get the chance to have launched a massive platform, questioned by nobody.

😆Of course it does. Locked away infers secrecy therefore more guilt.

Of course the key considerations should be:

how items were obtained
how they were used
corroborating testimony or evidence

I do think one thing we can all agree on is that, the level of fame we are talking about is not healthy for any human being, it’s just not normal and I wouldn’t want any part of a hugely famous person’s life

That kind of distorted life in itself is a huge prison and I can’t Imagine any person experiencing it managing to stay grounded within that kind of lifestyle

Always hunted by the media and having his appearance and his odd habits judged and torn apart but at the same time able to indulge in any coping mechanisms due to massive wealth and influence

It seems like a lot of us on here have had some very difficult experiences in life as most people do at times, but I don’t think we can ever comprehend how he lived and what it felt like being him

Well said. I don't think any celebrities have been as big as he was and it'll never happen again. I'm glad I got to grow up in his hey day and experience the whirlwind or Thriller and Bad etc as it happened.

What I find annoying is that since the movie, there are loads of people online saying "oh michael was an angel, he was a starseed , he was the best man ever, trying to help the world. Sent to help humanity".

I remember when michael was alive. He was thought of a lot differently. People constantly called him crazy and wacko. He wasnt well liked

I don't know but on this thread you posted a tiktok where a supporter said the books were harmless and then despite everything posted about the book you said "surely this can put the other book argument to rest now".

So you've shown you're willing to accept the word of random tiktokers who provide simple explanations to rebut things and don't seem to care if it's true or not.

You are joking? The same man that sold out 50 plus nights at the 02 literally months before he died!! 🙄🤦‍♂️

Of course i'm not joking. People were fans of his music, yes.

He was NOT popular as a person. He was called nuts, crazy, wacko jacko all the time. Do you not remember?

https://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/29/jackson.trial/index.html

The books were found in a locked file cabinet in a closet in Jackson's bedroom during a search in 1993, Los Angeles Police Detective Rosibel Ferrufino-Smith testified.

Yes by the press. He did put out some stories himself like the oxygen chamber story. He admitted that himself.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think it's okay that he brought a male child to stay with him in his hotel room when he was on tour?

@kkloo the police inventory didn't possess this information. Are we confident in the media to present truthful non bias information?

The book most talked about was written by a pedophile for other pedophiles to own whilst technically remaining on the right side of the law.

MJ knew that when he molested children it was always his word against theirs. He was smart enough to make sure he was never caught with illegal images because that would have been a smoking gun.