Husband insists moon landings were faked and 9/11 was a false flag secret operation the Americans did to themselves

[AmberTigerEyes]

I am désolé
My husband, he tell me he really believe there has never been a moon landing and that the 9/11 attacks were faked too.
I was in New York on 9/11
He knows this
He keeps saying things that have been disproven as conspiracy theory myths.
I wonder if I should be calling for a mental crisis unit.

An archived sheet of a White House paper (essentially a press release) lauding their own accomplishments re 'the war on terror' released seven years after 9/11 hardly constitutes a fact, or even a coherent argument, supporting 9/11 having been a false flag/inside job to anyone with a functional mind.

So, no, it won't suffice. Do you have anything more?

It's literally the government stating themselves how much more powerful they have become against 'the enemy'.

The 'facts' I referred to were about how the government benefited from 9/11. I didn't say that document proved it was a false flag. It shows that they benefited though.

So, a propaganda piece written by an administration puffing their accomplishments, put out shortly before they were resoundingly defeated in the next election, constitutes proof that they benefitted - from something that occurred seven years previously - to the extent you believe that's a piece of supporting evidence in the event having been an inside job/false flag?

Good lord.

I'm not interested in having a debate on whether it was an inside job or not.

I was specifically referring to the claim that the other person made that 'simple critical thinking' would show you that there was no advantage.

I provided one piece of evidence that shows they did benefit from it. It's puffing their accomplishments yes but they did in fact do those things.

https://time.com/6096903/september-11-legal-history/

Good Lord back at you.

My children are far to young to be taught such things, but I will make sure when they are older that they understand the real world that we live in and I’m sure by the time they are old enough, many things will have come to light and naive people like yourself will awaken!

but at the same time, if it was do people think those planning it would leave any traces of it ?

I have. I used to have a poster of it on my wall. The Apollo LEM matches exactly what I'd expect for the minimal viable spacecraft designed specifically to go from low orbit to the surface of a low-gravity, airless body and back while keeping a couple of humans alive for a few days.

Just because you might not understand why a given set of requirements imposes a particular set of design decisions doesn't mean it's fake. It just means you don't know as much as you think you do.

Yes, because it's not just those who plan it, there's also all those who are involved.

Eg many 9/11 conspiracy theorists claim that the twin towers (as well as Building 7) were rigged with explosives from top to bottom. That would require fleets of drivers to deliver the explosives and detonation cabling, teams of people to install them, security guards to look the other way, office management staff for every employer in the buildings to forget that there were people taking down ceiling panels and putting them back in the days leading up to the attack etc.

But they could have done those things with a very small inside job. This would be like burning down your entire city because you wanted to change the paint colour in the downstairs loo.

In fact, you could make a pretty good argument that the long-term economic fallout from 9/11 was a major factor in the Republican's defeat in 2008. Not much advantage there.

I believe they wouldn't have had the support if it was a very small inside job.

As for economic fallout, let's say for the sake of the argument that it was an inside job or they allowed it to happen, they would have obviously made predictions of what would happen in the economy and weighed it up, and we don't know what their predictions would have been either and how far off they were.
They got defeated in 2008, they probably expected it, maybe they didn't, but something backfiring doesn't prove what the intention or plan was. I think plenty are happy to play the long game with their agendas, They got back in again anyway which I assume they also expected such is the pattern... Republicans get into power, democrats get back in.....republicans get back in...democrats get back in..and on and on it goes.

not if you planned it all via an espionage type cell structure for each part of the plan

Because you were directly asked about whether you believed a number of space programmes and vehicles were also faked, including Challenger, and you answered "yes", which would suggest this is indeed what you believe.

I feel a bit sorry for people who don't have the capacity to figure out if something's likely true or not. It must make life even more confusing than it already is.

I don't understand why they aren't all claiming the Epstein files are fake? Or the Panama papers, say? Do they know whether QE2 really died, or is she enjoying her last few years in the Scottish countryside?

the issue is the ones that spin the stories cover the stories by the time the public tries to figure it its already that detailed its like a puzzle but they have already completed it and its a puzzle in a puzzle etc

I can't really relate to fundamentally incurious people. I accept they clearly exist, but I don't really understand how so many people apparently take little to no interest in how the world around them works, or ever seem to ponder why something might be the way it is.

Assuming you are educated in the UK, schools have long covered the basics of Natural History, Geography, Biology, STEM, and so on, so unless you either dodged school entirely, or went there and paid absolutely no attention, it puzzles me how else so many people appear to have little to no grasp of even primary school level basics.

Years ago, if you wanted to learn something off your own back and there wasn't a teacher immediately to hand, you had to go looking for a print source on the subject in a local reference library. Now, practically everyone has a mobile device with internet access on their person, so all you need to do is press a button or two and waggle the digits on one hand, and yet still...

You feel sorry for them presumably because you're making incorrect assumptions that people who believe in some conspiracy theories are all living in a state of fear and panic etc and obsessing over CT and in a state of confusion when for most they're not at all.

The reasons why they're not claiming the Epstein files are fake are because:

Open minded people or even CT'ists don't believe that everything is 'fake news', just some things arouse suspicions

And because CT have been speaking about this for a long time, long before they were released, possibly even before he was first arrested, I remember seeing something about this when I was a teenager, about elites and billionaires running a pedophile ring and government officials etc were in on it. I didn't have an opinion on it myself at the time. Of course it was called a conspiracy theory and those who believed it were called conspiracy theorists, and even when it gets proven right they still get called conspiracy theorists 😂

I feel a bit sorry for you that you don't understand that.

Your question is unclear to me. When you say, "if it was" do you mean if it was a conspiracy as opposed to an actual terrorist attack? Assuming that's what you meant, I don't know what a conspiracy theorist would think. I do think that an operation that massive and complex would leave traces impossible to hide. Money transfers, emails, CCTV recordings, telephone call metadata, etc.

Impossible to hide from who? If that data exists then who would have access to it?

Yes I certainly never raised mine to think they must blindly believe the official narrative.

Someone said yesterday something like this was disturbing and was a display of a breakdown of civic and social contract.

Good!! We don't live in North Korea, we don't have to believe the official story or to at least pretend we do out of fear of repercussions.

I would 100% rather live in a society where people question things and don't just lap up the official narrative.

Congress had access to everything.

https://levin-center.org/what-is-oversight/portraits/joint-inquiry-into-intelligence-issues-related-to-the-9-11-terrorist-attack/

And, of course, the Justice Department, the FBI, the CIA, the NYPD, etc. So, just thousands of trained investigators in different agencies and hundreds of Senators and members of the House of Representatives would all have to be in on the conspiracy and kept silent about it for the last 25 years. And all of their communications about it would have had to have been deleted somehow as well.

And if they did find something would you genuinely expect someone in congress, the FBI, CIA etc to release that information? I would imagine that even if they did want the truth out there that they would fear the repercussions for America if something like that came about a relatively fresh historical event.

Elected members of Congress are responsible to their voting constituencies, no one else. And half of them were in opposition to the party in power, so yes, I expect someone would have exposed it. As to the thousands of employees investigating the matter, I think it's frankly insane to expect that every single one of them would have covered it up, in unison, without fail.

with the worlds intelligence agencies at your disposal depending on who the players would have been then all the points could have easily been altered, shell companies etc for example they are serious people that could have achieved it all

It wouldn't just have consequences for the party, it would have consequences for the whole country on the international stage. Surely you can see that.

@MissConductUS
AI doesn't like conspiracy theories but it had no issue answering this question.

If it were proven that the September 11 attacks were a "false flag" operation—meaning staged or allowed by the U.S. government to justify foreign wars or domestic policy shifts—the consequences for America would be cataclysmic, fundamentally altering its political, social, and geopolitical standing.
Based on analyses of conspiracy theories and trust in government institutions, the potential fallout would likely include:

• Complete Collapse of Public Trust: Such a revelation would destroy any remaining public confidence in federal institutions, intelligence agencies (CIA, FBI), and mainstream media. This could lead to massive civil unrest, widespread demands for the dissolution of existing government bodies, and potential violent resistance.
• Massive Political and Legal Fallout: It would trigger calls for the arrest and prosecution of high-level officials from the Bush administration and subsequent administrations who defended the official narrative. The 9/11 Commission Report would be deemed fraudulent, necessitating a completely new investigation.
• Geopolitical Isolation and Liability: The U.S. would lose its moral authority on the global stage, transforming from a victim of terrorism into a perpetrator of crimes against humanity. Alliances would likely dissolve, and the U.S. could face massive lawsuits, international reparations to victims in Afghanistan and Iraq, and potential charges against leaders at the International Criminal Court.
• Economic Collapse and Massive Liabilities: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, justified by 9/11, would be viewed as fraudulent. The financial burden of these wars, combined with the collapse of the military-industrial complex's credibility, could lead to a severe economic downturn. There would be massive lawsuits against the US government by victims' families and nations damaged by these wars.
• Internal Political Realignment: The event could lead to the collapse of the two-party system as it exists, creating a surge in fringe movements, local autonomy, or a totally new, highly radicalized political landscape.
• Rewriting of History and Culture: The last 20+ years of American life—including the Patriot Act, enhanced surveillance, airport security (TSA), and the foreign policy focus—would be viewed as part of a fabricated authoritarian shift.

You're saying it would be insane that they'd cover it up, but this would be the alternative, you seem to think it would just destroy the Republican party and that's it. I guarantee the real list of consequences would be far longer than that list. Would the Democrats even want to deal with that shit show? I don't know how or when America would ever recover from it. They'd be the next party gone most likely.