Husband insists moon landings were faked and 9/11 was a false flag secret operation the Americans did to themselves

[AmberTigerEyes]

I am désolé
My husband, he tell me he really believe there has never been a moon landing and that the 9/11 attacks were faked too.
I was in New York on 9/11
He knows this
He keeps saying things that have been disproven as conspiracy theory myths.
I wonder if I should be calling for a mental crisis unit.

I don't know if these pictures might be any help?

One vehicle's aerodynamically designed to cut through Earth's atmosphere, with powerful engines to escape Earth's gravity.

The other one's built to get a stable footing on the Moon's uneven surface, contains scientific equipment, has no air pressure to deal with and is in very weak gravity.

The one on the left. It was the close up pictures that did it.

That did what?

I know it isnt actually tin foil.

So why posit that as your reason for not believing in the viability of the LEM?

So who is Graham "Handcock" then?

I fear my attempt at a joke may have failed to land 🙁

They intend to build a moonbase, at some point ending is going to happen.

I used to be the person who thought they’d rather sit down and talk to a conspiracy theorist. And did, weekly for a year. Never again. It’s the living definition of a closed system. You can’t really discuss as every counter evidence or source you cite is dismissed out of hand as ‘part of the conspiracy’ or just ignored. It’s also clear they often haven’t even heard the counter arguments as they live in a closed world of people shoring up the same beliefs. It’s a complete waste of time. These people are getting something out of believing that they don’t want to let go off. It’s not a rational, evidence based view.

By looking into the counter arguments, you quickly realise the conspiracy theory arguments don’t stack up - see the ‘moon landings were fake’ argument as a good example. The conspiracy theorists could do this themselves but don’t or just ignore it. They want to believe.

I had an online discussion with a moon landing denier who'd "done all the research" and they brought up the flimsiness of the LEM. I asked what was so unbelievable about it and they said that I was an idiot to believe that the thin foil was strong enough to contain an atmosphere for the astronauts.

Weird how all their "research" never uncovered the many photos showing that underneath the thin outer structure was a complete aluminium alloy pressure hull.

Go and look at some real close ups. Its the look of the thing. There no point discussing it until you look. It looks like a junk modelling project.

It doesn't matter what it looks like, or more accurately, what you think it looks like. What matters is what IS. The moon landings are verifiable, established, definite facts.

That makes it more convincing that it's real. If they had never been to the moon and wanted to con us, they would produce something rocket-shaped or flying saucer shaped with loads of bells and whistles and high-tech gizmos bristling all over it, because that's what we expect to see. Instead, they produced something that would actually do the job required of it.

Have you thought about the fact that, to fake the moon landings, NASA would have had to rely on the hundreds of people involved and their families keeping quiet about it forever more? How do you say they achieved that?

It's funny isn't it, all the money available, the world's best movie prop makers and special effects people and they cobble together something that an ordinary person with no expertise can dismiss as "a junk modelling project".

Darn it if ONLY they'd taken a bit more time and trouble over it.

Did you look?

Why do you think mere APPEARANCE is better as evidence than Science?

Why would the lunar module need to be more robust than it appears to your eyes?

It is simple mindedness. And I don’t care how insulted any of you are. Inability to form complex thoughts and think critically. A need to be right that is more powerful than a desire to properly understand.
How many of you conspiracy fools have studied science even to GCSE?
It’s similar to the people who know exactly how to solve the complexities in running a country. Just tax the rich! Just turn the boats back to France! Just sack all the Civil Servants!

But, did you look?

So like the Mahattan project?
The moorland is the only part that made me wonder. All the people getting mad, have you looked at the close up pictures yet?

If your argument is based on ‘well it looks a bit funny to me’ rather than ‘I’ve studied the science and engineering of space travel, and the moon’s atmosphere, and it doesn’t stack up’ then you don’t have much of a case. Sorry.

People have reframed ‘research’ as ‘reading lots and lots of stuff from people with the same prejudice as me’, rather than ‘looking carefully into all sides of the debate and fact checking all the claims made’.

FFS

I watched the entire coverage of Apollo 11 and EVERY lunar landing at the time! I was 11 in 1969.

I also watched all the preparations that were broadcast leading up to the mission - I was engrossed.

I watched Neil Armstrong test piloting the "Flying Bedstead" as the prototype Luna module was named. You could watch the same footage on YouTube if you care to really blow your brains.
I have absolutely no doubt that you'll claim you can see how it's being suspended up in the air and that its not REALLY flying. 🙄

It's really amusing that I had a far better knowledge of space, the Moon and associated technology as an 11 year old in 1969 than some adult women in 2026.....

I'll ask you again - why do you think the Lunar Module needed to be more robust than it appears?

Lol the Manhattan Project wasn't kept secret for more than 3 years!!!!!!!

Started 1942, two atomic bombs dropped August 1945, no more secret.

Try again.

Edited to add - not even 3 years actually because Stalin already knew about it at the Yalta conference in February 1945.

I have no doubt he knew all about the MP from the get go, so not that much of a secret.

Yes, very up close at the full scale exact models in the science museum. Have you?

I'm still waiting to hear from anyone whether they think all six moon landings were faked etc.

As I've already told you, I don't need to "go and look" because I'm already perfectly familiar with how the LEM appears outwardly, hence why I'm baffled how anyone can conclude that it isn't a credible vehicle based on nothing but appearance alone.