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lovealieinortwo · 14/04/2026 17:58

Iirc there was a lot made of the fact the crash investigation showed no evidence of braking which backs her claim up that she was unconscious. So either the investigation was very poor or she was unconscious or she didn’t brake for another reason.

Ive never read anything about braking. Would the car computer show evidence?

Some people do panic and accelerate when meaning to brake though.

JulietteHasAGun · 14/04/2026 17:59

similarminimer · 14/04/2026 17:51

if someone says that they blacked out at the wheel having never blacked out before, presumably it is incredibly difficult to prove that this is not the case. What sort of investigation could be done to disprove that?

From a medical pov nothing. If there was evidence of braking or steering that wouldn’t back their story up. I guess eyewitness accounts could also be considered.

damemaggiescurledupperlip · 14/04/2026 17:59

Anyone can get stuff about them removed from the internet, is my understanding. You don’t need money or lawyers

ColdinHTK · 14/04/2026 18:00

similarminimer · 14/04/2026 17:51

if someone says that they blacked out at the wheel having never blacked out before, presumably it is incredibly difficult to prove that this is not the case. What sort of investigation could be done to disprove that?

I think accident investigators look for evidence of the driver taking the normal actions someone would if they lost control of a car such as breaking, swerving. In the absence of these signs, plus reports from witnesses about how the person presented immediately on impact it could suggest the driver was unconscious.

The Glasgow bin lorry driver couldn’t be prosecuted as there were witnesses (the bin men in the cab) that he was slumped over the wheel. He knew he had a heart condition but he couldn’t be prosecuted for the deaths as you can’t be held responsible for something that happens when you’re unconscious

JulietteHasAGun · 14/04/2026 18:01

FlorenceAndTheVagine · 14/04/2026 17:26

Photo of Claire Freemantle in this article. Amazing how even the UK news articles which got pictures of her published suddenly seemed to disappear. Presumably as the site above is under a different jurisdiction (Argentina), her lawyers had less reach.

Interesting from the scene photos there apart from a narrow strip of pavement the rest of the route was grass until it hit the wall. I wonder if that makes assessing whether braking or not occurred more difficult? It’s not like there would be skid marks??

Oftenaddled · 14/04/2026 18:02

quocket · 14/04/2026 17:48

will there always be medical evidence of a fit?

Not at all, no.

lovealieinortwo · 14/04/2026 18:02

Or just SEO manipulation?

Whats really odd is if you google her name the below article comes up. How do they know any of this information?

vocal.media/journal/claire-freemantle-overcoming-epilepsy-s-challenges-in-wimbledon-6c9c0qcj

pancakestastelikecrepe · 14/04/2026 18:03

JoeTheDrummer · 14/04/2026 17:46

Her husband Dominic Freemantle is very wealthy - he was a hedge fund manager at Morgan Stanley, not sure if he’s still there. They could certainly afford the best lawyers!

Yes, if the CPS brought a charge and it went to trial - it didn't

damemaggiescurledupperlip · 14/04/2026 18:05

Presumably she was checked for drink and drugs and they were absent? That sort of car has hand’s free mobile connection, and you can just tell it to navigate to somewhere or turn up the fan or turn the radio on. So it’s not as if she was likely to be fiddling with controls or a mobile. So what do people think has been missed or covered up (other than suspecting a known condition, ignored)?

pancakestastelikecrepe · 14/04/2026 18:06

Itsmetheflamingo · 14/04/2026 17:50

I’m actually wondering what “ferocious lawyers” would do in this scenario that would necessitate so little action froM the police. A suspects lawyers aren’t involved in the investigation, and it doesn’t seem to have got any further than that.

do people really think the police are terrified of lawyers? They deal with them
in interviews every single day.

Exactly my point. Ferocious barristers and lawyers as defence in a trial, yes - police investigation, no.

lovealieinortwo · 14/04/2026 18:07

We do have pretty lax sentences for car deaths even when the driver is found guilty.

AnnaMagnani · 14/04/2026 18:11

quocket · 14/04/2026 17:48

will there always be medical evidence of a fit?

Not necessarily. A combination of specific blood tests at the time, witness accounts of how the person behaved during and after, any video of the event, EEGs and brain scans could make it more or less likely.

It seems as if witness accounts are definitely missing and I think I remember that witnesses have suggested the driver didn't behave in a typical 'post seizure' way.

However the driver may have provided appropriate medical evidence and/or the police decided there was no way they could prove anything beyond reasonable doubt.

lovealieinortwo · 14/04/2026 18:12

It seems as if witness accounts are definitely missing and I think I remember that witnesses have suggested the driver didn't behave in a typical 'post seizure' way

that seemed to be insinuated

lovealieinortwo · 14/04/2026 18:16

The fact a Commander is under investigation is pretty serious surely? Thats a very high rank.

JulietteHasAGun · 14/04/2026 18:16

lovealieinortwo · 14/04/2026 18:02

Or just SEO manipulation?

Whats really odd is if you google her name the below article comes up. How do they know any of this information?

vocal.media/journal/claire-freemantle-overcoming-epilepsy-s-challenges-in-wimbledon-6c9c0qcj

Comments are interesting. Some discussion of the parents thoughts. But another comment which says that article was written by AI and the reporter named doesn’t exist.

Itsmetheflamingo · 14/04/2026 18:16

JoeTheDrummer · 14/04/2026 17:53

Yes I know, but you can NDA against talking to the press.

Are you suggesting that a random member of the public agreed to sign an NDa to another random member of the public to agree not to talk to the press about. A public incident?

why on earth would anyone agree to that? There isn’t even a relationship between parties

lovealieinortwo · 14/04/2026 18:18

@JulietteHasAGun missed those

JulietteHasAGun · 14/04/2026 18:18

I also find it interesting that some reports say she had previously been on the board of governors at that school. Not sure how true it is.

likelysuspect · 14/04/2026 18:19

lovealieinortwo · 14/04/2026 17:45

@likelysuspect maybe this

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c03lgdzpw8go

I dont know what post of mine you're replying to

JulietteHasAGun · 14/04/2026 18:20

lovealieinortwo · 14/04/2026 18:16

The fact a Commander is under investigation is pretty serious surely? Thats a very high rank.

Yes, you wouldn’t have thought someone of that rank would normally get involved at such a level of an individual incident that they could need investigating? So why did they get involved in this specific case?

lovealieinortwo · 14/04/2026 18:22

@JulietteHasAGun it’s definitely odd.

Itsmetheflamingo · 14/04/2026 18:27

JulietteHasAGun · 14/04/2026 18:20

Yes, you wouldn’t have thought someone of that rank would normally get involved at such a level of an individual incident that they could need investigating? So why did they get involved in this specific case?

It could be that they failed to manage their staff, as opposed to direct connection to the case. My organisation will go up the chain if it’s found that senior staff knew of misconduct but didn’t act.

FernandoSor · 14/04/2026 18:27

FavouriteBiggle · 14/04/2026 15:44

I think she has ferocious lawyers and probably people removing any mention of her online.

There’s definitely reputation managers involved. If you google her name you will see that google has its standard privacy takedown notice indicating that they have removed results at the threat/request of the subject. Facebook etc will have done the same.

pancakestastelikecrepe · 14/04/2026 18:29

JulietteHasAGun · 14/04/2026 18:20

Yes, you wouldn’t have thought someone of that rank would normally get involved at such a level of an individual incident that they could need investigating? So why did they get involved in this specific case?

From an interview with one of the little girl's parents on BBC News a moment ago, I inferred from the Mother that the IOPC being brought in, is a result of the 2025 investigation not being conducted satisfactorily - which would have been under his watch?
Those poor parents - heartbreaking interview 😢

likelysuspect · 14/04/2026 18:30

Itsmetheflamingo · 14/04/2026 18:16

Are you suggesting that a random member of the public agreed to sign an NDa to another random member of the public to agree not to talk to the press about. A public incident?

why on earth would anyone agree to that? There isn’t even a relationship between parties

Edited

On the very day by all accounts

Honesty the rubbish printed about this case is ridiculous