Depraved, Desperate, Deluded and Dangerous - Trump Thread #160

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More of the same. 🤬

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5510944-the-king-of-crazytown-cant-control-the-chaos-trump-thread-159

He is threatening the Iranian desalination plants again. CNN. I am rubbish at making these bingo cards.

"While he said Iran’s military infrastructure had been essentially “wiped out” over more than 40 days of war with the United States, President Donald Trump said some potential targets for US military action remain, including the country’s water desalination plants, its power grid and bridges.
“We’ve wiped out their whole country, essentially,” the president said on Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures With Maria Bartiromo.”
“The only to thing left really is their water, which would be very devastating to hit,” he added.
The president also said the country still has “some more missile manufacturing plants,” before adding: “We know every one of them.”
“We still have other things,” he said."

Sorry, are you saying that you want China angry?

Even Frosty the no-man quietly noted that the EU looked better than the US right now.

Sort of like OPEC but with the added codicil of big hugs all round to get the oil out or something.

What does it matter ?

Nothing happening in the world right now is a result of anything anyone on this thread wants

I can't imagine it will be a huge push to unite the ME against Israel and US these days. The rest of the world is already there, so they'd not be accused of being fundamentalists, rather late to the party if anything.

This is pretty par for the course for a lame duck POTUS. Difference being that prior POTUSes have been at least a bit judicious as to whom they give pardons. Although some in the past have questionable.

Now that he's quietly tossed his baited line into the murky waters, Scrotus is going to use the time between now and Jan 2029 to see how many will do him favours in return for pardons.

But at least it sounds like he is anticipating a time when he'll no longer be in office. (Fingers crossed)

I was genuinely asking if the poster, who seems pro-US, was actively hoping China would get angry enough to be involved to protect it's economy. I was wondering if this was something MAGA is happy with and whether they know about the range of China's missiles

A cynic might say that this is the MEs biggest chance to have a pop at Israel without being accused too much of antisemitism in decades. Them and the entire world against Israel and US ? If they had planned it, it probably could not have turned out better ......

Imagine the propaganda for the PRC is they send their navy to escort tankers to Asia. And India too.

"Asian navies defend our oil from Trump".

What a way for the PRC and India to build alliances in their backyards.

Pro-US? Don't be ridiculous. I'd happily stick some dynamite up the orange arsehole.

I'm just pointing out if they block the Strait it would be harmful to Iran exports.

Just read that Trump is going to blockade the Strait of Hormuz.
So, the US is going to stop vessels going in and out and stop those who have paid a toll to Iran and.... well I do not know. Will they raise the pirate flag for this?
How is obstructing the passingvof vessels even more going to sort this issue?

There are some pipelines around the Strait, indeed. For some producers. They can get less oil out of those than directly by port. And at least a pipe had been damaged on the fire exchange. I think now repaired. Pipelines are really vulnerable to bombing. So... they are only a relative solution.

I cannot really understand Trump.... He has put US international position in quite a pickle already. He is on seriously stormy waters with NATO, for starters. If this drags for long, with the US blockading the Strait, pirate style, the little faith remaining will vanish. US could, taking this to the extreme, lose its bases in the whole of Europe, lose access to Greenland sea and air space plus their base there, same for whatever agreement they have with Canada and lose their bases in the Middle East. Trump has already been refused access to South Asia ports for this campaign.
So... if he pushes relationships to the final breaking point, which he seems prepared to do, how is the US going to sustain any military power over anywhere in the World?
Trump's approval is sinking in US, but I think internationally is at a critical breaking point. Yet he keeps pushing.
I can still see him launching an attack on Greenland or putting his nose far too deep into Europe's elections.
And Lebanon is getting the Gaza treatment. He cannot contain Natanyahu, he has lost any power he had over him, if he ever had any.
I think the only way he can get out of this is by calling it a victory and shipping back home. Before the financial pressures around the globe force US out for good.

And China. They replied like for like with the Tariffs and got Trump to back down. That was when they said they would fight Trump in any arena he wanted to pick.

If Trump turned up to an impeachment hearing waving the nuclear football, dressed in drag and demanded to be called Tallulah, the GOP would still vote against impeachment

Trump has always been obsessed with creating his legacy.
His legacy will be an almighty shitshow

And so another week of turmoil begins. Sigh.

I cannot really understand Trump.... He has put US international position in quite a pickle already.

If you add a line to your simulation to the effect that Trump doesn't give 2 shots about the US whilst his self interest is infinite,. and re-run your calculations, it will all work out correctly.

If China were to retaliate to this, considering they use the strait and this directly affects them and more to the point neighbouring countries who they want on side (Japan, South Korea are going to be hugely affected etc) does anyone think the world would rally to America? I am doubtful, and personally feel they have it coming. Not sure if I am in the minority to be honest but if they won't get rid of him China is best placed to make it clearer.

Why hasn't a Grassy Knoll incident happened?

Why would the world "rally" to the US ? Especially if China suggested strong and stable.

E2A; Given how much shit the UK buys from China, compared to the US, I would say we have paid for their protection many times over.

Well, exactly.
I think there would be a fair amount of interesting shoes in NATO

I don’t think they would. Although I am on the fence about the U.K. Trump started this unholy mess. It’s up to him to get out of it. If he wants to poke the big Chinese bear with a big stick, that’s on him too. Why would anyone else want to get themselves caught up in that?

Because despite the paranoia of some, there really aren't that many nutters out there. And you would need a nutter. Any vaguely organised attempt would be shit down.

Also, maybe God is saving him for a spectacular end. Worth remembering that it wasn't even 40 years ago a dictator was put up against a wall and shot. And then put up against a wall and shot again for the cameras.

I don't think anyone here condones what you are suggesting. I know I don't.

Xi's wet dream.